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Old 09-10-2007, 03:19 PM
Veron Veron is offline
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Default JJ in 3bet pot vs solid TAG --> common spot

Villain is 17/14/3 over about 1k datamined.
He raises small PP's UTG and is positionally aware, but apart from that I don't have a read. He's playing 4 tables 400NL so I assume he is competent to a certain degree.

400NL
CO ($408)
Button ($553.70)
SB ($510.60)
BB ($400)
UTG ($521.40)
Hero ($879.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $46</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls $32.

Flop: ($98) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($98) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $70</font>, Hero ??

Comments on the postflop streets very much appreciated [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-10-2007, 03:52 PM
Nielsio Nielsio is offline
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Default Re: JJ in 3bet pot vs solid TAG --> common spot

Bet the flop for value and protection. There is no need for pot control on the flop.
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Old 09-10-2007, 03:55 PM
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Default Re: JJ in 3bet pot vs solid TAG --> common spot

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Bet the flop for value and protection.

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By what worse hands do you expect to be called?
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Old 09-10-2007, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: JJ in 3bet pot vs solid TAG --> common spot

You need to bet the flop. I would bet around 65-70.
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Old 09-10-2007, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: JJ in 3bet pot vs solid TAG --> common spot

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Bet the flop for value and protection.

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By what worse hands do you expect to be called?

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Are you assuming that villain always has you beat? Because that would be a faulty assumption.
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Old 09-10-2007, 04:07 PM
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Default Re: JJ in 3bet pot vs solid TAG --> common spot

Bet the flop. as played, I probably just call here.
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Old 09-10-2007, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: JJ in 3bet pot vs solid TAG --> common spot

b/f flop, cb turn imo
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Old 09-10-2007, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: JJ in 3bet pot vs solid TAG --> common spot

Call turn. Be like really confused when he pushes river. Then fold the river.
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Old 09-10-2007, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: JJ in 3bet pot vs solid TAG --> common spot

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Bet the flop for value and protection.

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By what worse hands do you expect to be called?

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Are you assuming that villain always has you beat? Because that would be a faulty assumption.

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No I assume that I will not get called by worse hands when I bet the flop.
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Old 09-10-2007, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: JJ in 3bet pot vs solid TAG --> common spot

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Bet the flop for value and protection.

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By what worse hands do you expect to be called?

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Are you assuming that villain always has you beat? Because that would be a faulty assumption.

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No I assume that I will not get called by worse hands when I bet the flop.

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But you have to think about your hand strenght. You don't want to be inducing bluffs because you won't stand it. You also assume wrong in that ppl will never call worse: Tx, underpairs; I've seen calls from that kind of stuff many times.

You are complicating this hand without reason AND how are we possibly to deal with a strong double barrel from villain? You are allowing him to play much more perfect, instead of merging your own ranges.
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