NL50 JJ turn brings A

xeanatic · #1 09-10-2007, 04:28 AM

Villian is a real station, what's my turn play here?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $49.50
BB: $47.15
UTG: $56.00
MP: $63.10
CO: $54.35
Hero (BTN): $57.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP raises to $2.00, CO folds, Hero raises to $7.00, 2 folds, MP calls $5.00

Flop: ($14.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero bets $11.00, MP calls $11.00

Turn: ($36.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero?

rjacobs003 · #2 09-10-2007, 04:36 AM

I probably fire about $25 on the turn again. If he calls/raises I'm not putting in anymore money. Hopefully he calls and checks to me on the river for free showdown. Any other reads on this guy?

fl1p · #3 09-10-2007, 04:53 AM

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I probably fire about $25 on the turn again. If he calls/raises I'm not putting in anymore money. Hopefully he calls and checks to me on the river for free showdown. Any other reads on this guy?

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xeanatic · #4 09-10-2007, 04:56 AM

firing $25 makes us commited to call a push because we have like $7 left..

rjacobs003 · #5 09-10-2007, 05:01 AM

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firing $25 makes us commited to call a push because we have like $7 left..

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Woops missed this. Sry man. Push it is then....

Boredom · #6 09-10-2007, 05:05 AM

Can somebody explain why betting here is better than checking behind? Surely we don't get called by worse if we push, but is getting KK, QQ or the other JJ to fold part of the equation that makes betting here a good deal? Are we afraid of getting bluffed out on river if we check behind? If we are afraid of getting bluffed out, do we think that he will ever turn 77, 99 or TT into bluffs? Or is it just spades without an A or some kind of straight draw (if those are even in his pf r range that is) Somebody explain this to me.

xeanatic · #7 09-10-2007, 05:08 AM

isn't this bad? because what hands do call us that we are ahead of here? I think a push here will be called by better hands and worse hands fold.

And don't you think the A is a pretty big part of villians range here? Since the 3bet PF and the fact that he is a station and prob calls the flop with overs?

TheRenaissance · #8 09-10-2007, 05:12 AM

Easy turn check imo.

xeanatic · #9 09-10-2007, 05:13 AM

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Easy turn check imo.

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what's your plan for the river? assume it is a blank and what do you do when it is a spade?

TheRenaissance · #10 09-10-2007, 05:26 AM

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Easy turn check imo.

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what's your plan for the river? assume it is a blank and what do you do when it is a spade?

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If river is a blank call a bet up to *pulls number out of ass* 21.5.
If it is a spade, fold.

Our hand really isnt that hot when the ace falls. Not because villain always has an ace (though he will have it a lot), but because he will be hard pressed to call us again without one. Now there are callstations and there are GOT DAM CALLSTATIONS - if villain is in the latter category, ok, maybe a valuebet on the turn is in order. But most villains are of the former type - they like to call with draws and peel with overs, but they will fold turn/river if you make it blatantly obvious they are crushed.