NL50 - Quads, but I don't think I got full value

CaptDrew · #1 09-09-2007, 10:31 AM

Haven't posted in a while. Actually took a month long break from poker but am back in the saddle.

This hand is the second at this table. I don't have any reads, am out of position, and it's a blind battle to boot. Check that, maybe the only read I have is the table is listed as a 30% with 8 dolla avg pot.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($50.70)
Hero ($49.50)
BB ($50.95)
UTG ($37.35)
MP ($11.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $6, Hero calls $6.

River: ($28) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $20, BB calls $20.

Final Pot: $68

My question is the turn play. I thought seriously about raising, but I wasn't sure what amount he would call if he had a weak Q or J and still commit on the end.

Okay, shoot.

-CaptDrew

Spurious · #2 09-09-2007, 10:33 AM

raise flop
raise turn as played
river is fine as played

Spinners · #3 09-09-2007, 10:34 AM

make it $20 on the turn, that will allow you to get it all in on ther river.

CaptDrew · #4 09-09-2007, 10:40 AM

Spinners - the problem is that villain only has 36 after his bet on the turn. If all he has is a weak Q or J, then I lose him with a $20 raise there, I think. I also believe that more often than not he does have a weak Q or J in that spot. But I'm probably wrong.

-CaptDrew

Rounder101 · #5 09-09-2007, 03:06 PM

I think you got quite a lot of value out of it.
I agree on raising flop and turn, turn; maybe a weak Q is even calling, altough after calling your PF raise he doesnt have a weak Q here IMO.
I doubt he would be minraising with a jack, it seems to be something like AQ KQ QJ QT or KT.

CaptDrew · #6 09-09-2007, 03:41 PM

Rounder - thanks for the reply. I know I got good value, but did I get full value? Is there a way to stack this guy?

wingchunflush · #7 09-09-2007, 03:46 PM

hmmmm how good is this guy I mean is he a solid player? If he isnt good maybe a min reraise on the flop would be good. I dont like a full reraise because I think this guy could be raising you with any Q especially bad ones. I think I would either do a small re raise on the flop or lead the turn. Lots of people do that at the micro limits lead each street hoping youll give up. Lead the tun watch him raise you then get it in, is probably what I would do.

Rounder101 · #8 09-09-2007, 11:07 PM

Yeah u couldve stacked him. If you want to play for stacks you gotta do so on the flop and turn. Thats the best way for stacking this guy. Playing it otherwise, probably guarantees getting a little more but not stacking him. Raising might make him fold sometimes, but u get a lot more value when he has something.
I would always reraise flop, and as u played it, I dont see raising the turn as something that would end the action, since the 3 is not a scare card for him.

Lego05 · #9 09-10-2007, 12:06 AM

I'm fine with just calling his raise on the flop. But then check raise the turn.

Waingro · #10 09-10-2007, 12:27 AM

I would 3bet the flop to $14. I would be surprised if he folded mid pair if he chose to play is like this. I can guarantee you he isn´t going to feel better about his his crappy queen with 5 cards out instead of 3.