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Old 09-08-2007, 02:11 PM
PokerForMath PokerForMath is offline
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Default 50/100 live NL 4-handed, 3-way pot, how do you play?

Advice appreciated, I leave the results till later so as to not bias the opinions.

I was playing a live NYC game 50/100 game w/ a 300 7-2 bounty, it's getting late and we are down to 4-handed and have 15K effective stacks. I was slightly down for the evening, but table image was not tilty or very out of line at that point though I had lost earlier in the evening KK vs AA and had recently won with 7-2 on a bluff raise on the flop.

I have played frequently with this group so they know me and will come in on a lot of pots. The button is a very strong player and the bb is good, unpredictable but capable of making bad calls and has paid off a lot of people in this game.

I make it 300 with QJsc, button calls, bb calls. Flops is

TT9, two diamonds

checked around.

Turn is an off suit-king. BB leads out 1000, I call, button raises to 4500. He is capable of doing this with a wide range of hands. BB raises to 10K leaving himself only 3500. I have 13500. The pot is roughly 16500.

If I push it makes the pot 30K and the button has me just covered so would have to call 9000 more into the 30K pot.

What do you do and how do you think it through?

Worth noting:

The button is considered a strong player by everyone at the table and he gets paid off a lot with both draws and made hands. The bb was up big on the night and had gotten paid off with AA vs KK (vs me) and had won a 14K pot vs me earlier in a hand where he limped, I raised pf, two callers, he called, flop came K66, he checked, I bet pot, he called. Turn was heads up and a blank, check, check. River was an ace, he checked and I bet 4500 and he called me with a weak king. I mucked saying I had air.
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:04 PM
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Default Re: 50/100 live NL 4-handed, 3-way pot, how do you play?

I think its a fold, also I don't like the flop check - what was your plan?
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: 50/100 live NL 4-handed, 3-way pot, how do you play?

I like how u played it, now fold quickly.
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: 50/100 live NL 4-handed, 3-way pot, how do you play?

After you call and there was a raise, then a re raise, you have got to be beat. Please fold.
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Old 09-08-2007, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: 50/100 live NL 4-handed, 3-way pot, how do you play?


Here is what confused me about the hand -- 4500 raise could be a draw, Tx. What range of hand re-raises? Does a re-raise signal more or less strength? I.e., would a full house be more likely to call or raise from the bb?

Thoughts appreciated.
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Old 09-08-2007, 04:04 PM
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Default Re: 50/100 live NL 4-handed, 3-way pot, how do you play?


I was looking to see the turn and fold to any kind of large bet unless I got two callers. Bad plan?
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Old 09-08-2007, 04:48 PM
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Default Re: 50/100 live NL 4-handed, 3-way pot, how do you play?

ugly spot, i would've bet the flop for starters.
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Old 09-08-2007, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: 50/100 live NL 4-handed, 3-way pot, how do you play?

pretty sure ur splitting at best
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: 50/100 live NL 4-handed, 3-way pot, how do you play?

i was the villain in the hand, and on the flop, it checked to me and I bet 500, and the bb and the OP both chk-called. Then the BB led out v. small on the turn, and the OP also called. I think I might raise and just get it in with the BB, he has trips far more often then he is housed up, but calling and calling a river bet/raising a river bet from the bb (assuming I fold) is also fine. i think once you just call, my range for raising the turn is probably trips, with a small portion of bluffs (as a squeeze). I would be much more concerned with the bb's hand than my hand once he comes over the top. in my experience, donk betting then raising over a raise he has to have A10 at bare minimum, and more often then not a house. It's v. tough being squeezed in the middle here, and in your spot i would be content to get it in v. my range, but not the bb's range once he raises my raise.

the only odd thing about this hand: if the bb has a full house, why would he want us to fold? wouldn't he want both of us to come along with whatever we have?
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:23 PM
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Default Re: 50/100 live NL 4-handed, 3-way pot, how do you play?

is that seriously how live players think?
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