2 KJo hands vs same villain

StickyFingers196 · #1 09-08-2007, 01:17 AM

Villain is olgimak, a 21/16/3.6 with AF's of 6.6/1.7/1.1 on flop/turn/river. He shouldn't know much about me, but probably views/assumes me to be a standard TAG.

Hand #1 happened first and #2 about 15 mins later. How was my line in #1 (what about $200 on river with $800 effective stacks intending to snap call a shove?), and thoughts on #2? Sorry if these are standard/boring, i'm reworking my game atm.

#1
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($591)
Hero ($1427.20)
Button ($454.50)
SB ($82.95)
BB ($1099.30)
UTG ($577)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $24, 2 folds, BB calls $18.

Flop: ($51) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $37, BB raises to $110, Hero calls $73.

Turn: ($271) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $150, Hero calls $150.

River: ($571) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $350, BB folds.

#2
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BB ($618)
Hero ($1827.60)
MP ($0)
Button ($706.55)
SB ($614)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $24, Button calls $24, SB calls $21, 1 fold.

Flop: ($78) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $55, Button raises to $150, SB folds, Hero?

mythrilfox · #2 09-08-2007, 01:28 AM

i'd raise/somewhat-reluctantly-call hand 1. only hands you're worried about are qtss/33 and he might push a big draw here.

call hand 2 with various turn actions.

jlocdog · #3 09-08-2007, 01:47 AM

Hand 1: Raise the turn. That card creates alot of hands that now are inferior that want to continue. It also creates a ton of new scare cards come river (that both kill your action or kill you).

Hand 2: Call. This is 4 handed and BN could be easily making a play on you. If you want to play shorthanded, you need to loosen your calling requirements. Also don't be surprised if he checks turn 90% of the time.

StickyFingers196 · #4 09-08-2007, 02:23 AM

But if i raise the turn and get it in, am i ever going to be ahead? If i make it $450 i very much doubt he's going to shove a combo when he has like 0 fe. Maybe if i make it smaller, say $350 i will be more likely to induce a shove? Oh and 99/33/Q-10 are very real possibilities, not like i lose to one hand here. Any thoughts on river bet sizing?

mythrilfox · #5 09-08-2007, 02:35 AM

i'd probably bet like 425 on the river, make it look a little more bluffy and not so milky.

as for the range of hands that'll get all-in here on the turn, yes i don't think you're getting all-in against a worse made hand, but just because a worse hand won't call doesn't mean a raise isn't the best play. a draw here comprises a large % of his range imo, and even if he folds those everytime but goes all-in only with better made hands a raise can still be the best play. also, other reason i don't think we can fold to a shove is because of splitting possibilities with KJ...

but yeah i'd raise enough to charge him but think mayyybe he has some folding equity with a draw, because i don't see how we can get away from this hand anyway... make it like 450 or something. i don't like raising too small because i think he'll just end up (correctly) calling it most of the time.

mythrilfox · #6 09-08-2007, 02:38 AM

btw he DID underbet pot on the turn pretty hard, so 450 isn't even that big of a raise...