50 NL - T9s with flush draw and top pair on flop -- standard?

[shoxbb6]

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I think this is the most overrated hand in poker.
Toppair with no kicker and a flush draw, which isnt the NFD.
We flip here most of the time. He got an overpair 100% of the time. And i doubt that he got 99. No overpair will fold on the flop, since he gets super odds after his reraise.

I put him on TT+ and AK of spades, that's what pokerstove says:
Board: Td 7s 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.981% 51.98% 00.00% 13380 0.00 { TT+, AsKs }
Hand 1: 48.019% 48.02% 00.00% 12360 0.00 { Ts9s }

We are flipping here. Without FE we cant call here profitable, or maybe slightly profitable. Imo this is a fold.

Checking the flop would have been a better idea.

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I've never seen anyone at this level ever checkraise with initiative with either the nut flush draw w/ overs or a set here, this is an overpair nearly 99% of the time.

[Spurious]

ok, take the AKs out of the calculation and you'll lose 1% equity

without TT and AKs it stays the same

[JPeezy55]

FWIW, Villain flipped over AK of spades.

Thanks for the thoughts, guys.

[Chomp]

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standard

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IMO, this hand is a million miles away from standard. One might argue that it is ok, but it is not standard.

I like preflop open, but I really dislike calling the 3b without reads/history, or, as a once-in-a-blue-moon sexy move. But as a matter of course, I cannot believe that this is +EV preflop.

On flop, dunno, once we've gotten here and decided to cb then calling the c/r must be right with all the dead money.

But frankly I am such a nit that looking at this entire hand in session review late at night would give me the willies.

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Spurious, if you think it is 50/50 after we have bet flop, then we are {50/50 with $24 dead money in the middle}. This changes things significantly I think, (assuming your stove is correct and we are 50/50 v. TT+).


All just IMO.

[MusashiStyle]

this looks good, only thing i might do different is pot the flop, because id prefer to get my stack in as soon as possible. nice suckout btw.

[vixticator]

In a 3bet pot, I just check flop. His check has me slightly worried. If he does again on turn go ahead and bet because it looks like he's just giving up. Here I would be happy to take a free one.

[MusashiStyle]

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In a 3bet pot, I just check flop. His check has me slightly worried. If he does again on turn go ahead and bet because it looks like he's just giving up. Here I would be happy to take a free one.

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no nonno u can't do that because ur hand is a small favorite over aa/kk/qq which is basically his range but it won't be on the turn if he overbets which is very possible.

[Spurious]

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In a 3bet pot, I just check flop. His check has me slightly worried. If he does again on turn go ahead and bet because it looks like he's just giving up. Here I would be happy to take a free one.

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no nonno u can't do that because ur hand is a small favorite over aa/kk/qq which is basically his range but it won't be on the turn if he overbets which is very possible.

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the hand is no favorite over an overpair, as my stove shows

[yapee]

Villain giving us a free card with an overpair or set is making a mistake, so why not take it?

[Micro Donk]

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In a 3bet pot, I just check flop. His check has me slightly worried. If he does again on turn go ahead and bet because it looks like he's just giving up. Here I would be happy to take a free one.

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no nonno u can't do that because ur hand is a small favorite over aa/kk/qq which is basically his range but it won't be on the turn if he overbets which is very possible.

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the hand is no favorite over an overpair, as my stove shows

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its so close that any kind of pot odds would justify this flop 3b shove though. after the raise, your opponent only has $13 left. we cant fold to the raise to the good odds, so its either we shove, or call. calling is pointless since we would have to call a turn shove getting over 5-1 and only being a 2-1 dog against his range on the turn(i put down TT+, AsKs, AsQs)

its a pretty standardly played flop. and dont you want the money in when you have pretty good equity

really, why dont you like this flop when its about the best one you could hit playing a SC? youre almost always getting favorable pot odds against his range. i guess the people saying otherwise shouldnt play SCs