flopped 2nd pair on draw board

hamnegger · #1 09-06-2007, 11:13 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t2068)
MP1 (t6735)
MP2 (t1333)
Hero (t6718)
Button (t14246)
SB (t11021)
BB (t5158)
UTG (t9097)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t200, 1 fold, MP1 calls t200, 1 fold, Hero calls t200, Button calls t200, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t1200) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets t200, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls t200, Button calls t200.

Turn: (t1800) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t200, Hero?

bambam16 · #2 09-06-2007, 11:27 PM

I don't mind a call here. While I think this can be a K, it can also be a QT or 9T looking to draw cheaply to a straight.

I don't think the button will raise the turn bet - if he had a hand worth protecting I think he would have raised on the flop.

Question - are there any river cards that we can bluff on (assuming we get it down to 1 villain by the river)?

stevematador · #3 09-07-2007, 12:15 AM

I would smooth call here, raising that turn is an option but I prefer a call, he may have the K so I really don't want to get in further than I need to with this hand, I call and re-access on the river.

BarryLyndon · #4 09-07-2007, 12:34 AM

yeah, you don't know what the hell is going on in this hand with SB's crap bet, so just call each street and hope he doesn't fire 1700 on the river.

Barry

hamnegger · #5 09-07-2007, 02:07 AM

guy bets 200 into 1200 pot. then 200 again? i smell weak and im ahead (yes im very trapable) so i pop it to 1200 both folded. i wanted to charge draws.

BarryLyndon · #6 09-07-2007, 11:06 AM

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guy bets 200 into 1200 pot. then 200 again? i smell weak and im ahead (yes im very trapable) so i pop it to 1200 both folded. i wanted to charge draws.

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Not really, I just prefer to play small ball against donks in multiways because I find my chances of getting TWO folds really sucks. A good percent of the time, at least one of them calls, I'm lost on the river, and K7o shows for the win. And, there are lots of icky draw combinations that I don't want to see on the river in a bigger pot.

Barry

hagbard celine · #7 09-07-2007, 12:01 PM

any reads on UTG? is limping from the CO optimal here, especially after BTN limps behind?

Then falling that much in love with middle pair in a 6-way pot when the SB leads seems fishy. His bet does seems weak, and the BTN calling is way weak, so if the SB is a total p***y that you've got a good read on, this play is great, but readless I'm not so sure.

Does anyone like a PF raise to narrow the field and get the BTN to fold?

BarryLyndon · #8 09-07-2007, 12:19 PM

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any reads on UTG? is limping from the CO optimal here, especially after BTN limps behind?

Then falling that much in love with middle pair in a 6-way pot when the SB leads seems fishy. His bet does seems weak, and the BTN calling is way weak, so if the SB is a total p***y that you've got a good read on, this play is great, but readless I'm not so sure.

Does anyone like a PF raise to narrow the field and get the BTN to fold?

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No. UTG is hardly ever folding, two limpers already, QdJd is not a hand you want to build a pot up against these two in position, yadda yadda.

hagbard celine · #9 09-07-2007, 12:27 PM

then i see us treating QJs the same as 78s, just trying to flop a straight or flush draw, 2pr, etc. not calling a SB lead into 6 players with middle pair. then again, OP gave no reads, so as far as we know, SB is the weakest weak-tight player on earth. or maybe he's praying for Hero to whip out those giant balls of his.