Can I be good here?

[Point Blank]

so you raise and create a big pot with odds to call and action to continue - then fold

you raise to represent a big ace and only fold a weaker hand and get called down by a weak ace

to confuse poor players is generally pointless

[CrMenace]

Nope, and if you are, lots of cards can come that will beat you. I don't think you're ahead or will survive to the river the ~25% of the time you need to to make this a good call. Fold

[milesdyson]

sb can have tt or KdQd KdJd KdTd and many other flush draws. if he has an ace, why would he bet? easiest call ever. utg worries me a little but we'll see if he comes alive later.

[maverickai]

Yup, I would have called the flop. given I'm only putting in 1SB, into a pot of 10SB. The pot is big, and I get to end the action. If I flop a K on the turn, I'm most likely getting paid off well. If the turn is too aggressive, esp with UTG, I'll be folding then.

Just a question... the pot odds are 1:10 on the turn, so should I base on hitting my 2 K outs on odds of 10.90 to 1, or 22.0 to 1? From what I know, if I intend to see all the cards to the river, my odds would be 10.9 to 1 on the turn. If not, it is still 22.0 to 1 on the turn.

[bozlax]

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Just a question... the pot odds are 1:10 on the turn, so should I base on hitting my 2 K outs on odds of 10.90 to 1, or 22.0 to 1? From what I know, if I intend to see all the cards to the river, my odds would be 10.9 to 1 on the turn. If not, it is still 22.0 to 1 on the turn.

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If you use the latter, you need to include the betting action on the turn in your calculations, which will like make this close to a wash.

[Sushiglutton]

Wow, very different replies. From 'easy, easy fold' to 'easiest call ever' and some people even want to raise it. I think raising is my least preferable option. If we are ahead villains will either have so many outs we can't protect or so few that we don't mind if they continue. Raising is also dangerous if SB, who based on this hand seems a bit laggy, decides to pump a flush-draw in a 3-handed pot. Finally we miss the opportunity to hit a K if behind. Our implied odds are pretty good then.

Here are some other questions: How often do we need to be good to make calling down correct? Don't forget we have some outs. And how should one take into account the fact that we can make pretty safe folds in some scenarios (like if we face two cold on the turn)? Does that make calling better, or worse since we are not guaranteed a show-down?

[bravos1]

I am folding this .. like.... NEVER.

If SB has an Ace.. he is not leading this flop after the preflop action. He can easily have any pocket pair here, or 2 diamonds. I'm more concerned about UTGs call than SBs bet as UTG has a ton of Aces in his range.

I just call. Then is SB leads turn and UTG raises, we can get away. If SB checks and UTG bets, we have a decision to make.

BTW, since UTG just called, raising here is HORRIBLE for us! If UTG folded, then a raise is fine.

[fdwarrior]

without a strong read i call and see what will happen on the turn, i'm more worried about utg then sb because he has A most of the time

[BigBadBabar]

wow calcalcalcalcla

[CrMenace]

This was a learning post for me. I generally don't know how to react to donks, but let me summarize why this is a good one to call:

This was a clear flop call because a) the pot is large, and UTG is potentially helping pad the pot, b) The range of villain's donking hands is wide -- he could be betting a pocket pair or an FD, and c) This is not a likely action for a hand that beats us -- many players are likely to slow play trips or c/r given the aggression preflop, and d) because the aces are paired, it is that much more likely he does not have trips. As a bonus, e) we will have a potentially easy decision on the turn if UTG raises.

Do I got it?