annoying spot with JJ

[MichaelB]

villain was 20/11/3 over 90 and i was pretty active, 27/22/2.33. how to play flop. PF too i guess

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $157.10
BB: $108.00
UTG: $293.85
MP: $30.65
CO: $124.15
BTN: $46.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $4.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $43.00</font>, Hero calls $29.00

Flop: ($87) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero ??

[TheDivineRod]

fold pf to the 4-bet?

or shove pf if you think he's fos.

[MichaelB]

yeah you are right this is a tilt post

[bsball8806]

b/f flop (assuming AK is in his range) AK folds, and QQ+ pushes.
i'd also fold pre.

we obviously can't call a shove, but if we bet ~75, that only leaves us with about 40 in a pot of 250 if he shoves.

this is why i fold pre, it leaves us a difficult decision even if the board is good to our hand

[TheDivineRod]

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b/f flop



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I hope you're joking, villan has a pot sized bet left.

[FishSticks]

Flat calling a 4bet preflop is just bad.

I'd just fold to his 4bet. If you've been 3betting him like crazy and feel he's starting to tilt and is 4betting light I guess a push is okayish, but that's pretty rare honestly against this type. A 20/11 is so inclined to flat call your 3bet in position with so many hands, and is probably only 4betting like QQ+/AK here.

[keikiwai]

fold pf

as played shove flop

[JackAll]

fold pf.
fold pf.
fold pf.
fold pf.

At 3% pfr%, he raises exactly JJ-AA/AK
When he 4-bets, his range doesn't have AK any more.

[jeccross]

Def fold preflop. As played I spose you kind of have to shove, I mean the fact that you called preflop kind of assumes you can put him on something other than QQ,KK,AA. Preflop is terrible though.

EDIT: Actually forget that, we're probably better check calling than shoeving cos then we'll prob get AK to shove if we think that's in his range, whereas that'll probably fold if we shove. The whole preflop call has to assume AK's in hi range.

Actually maybe you're better open folding and leaving the table so you don't get in more tilt trouble [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]