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Old 09-05-2007, 03:27 PM
Rainclouds Rainclouds is offline
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Default I wanted to stack-a-donk, but the turn card sucks

Okay so I called the flop minraise with the intention of a CRAI on a good turn. I don't like 3-betting the flop because there are no worse hands that call (only AT if I'm lucky or a draw which I'm flipping with anyway), and he's very aggressive so he'd fire the turn again with a wide range. But then the T came which is obviously not good.

How to proceed? If he has a T I'm drawing slim, but folding seems too weak. I chose c/c'ing it down but I'm open for better lines.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $297.85
Hero (BB): $211.75
UTG: $171.75
MP: $215.15
CO: $302.00
BTN: $367.23

Reads: <font color="blue">73/20/6. Maniac preflop, aggressive but not a calling station postflop.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, BTN calls $2.00, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.00</font>, BTN calls $10.00

Flop: ($25) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $15.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $30.00</font>, Hero calls $15.00

Turn: ($85) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $25.00</font>, Hero calls $25.00

River: ($135) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $50.00</font>, Hero calls $50.00
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:42 PM
BobboFitos BobboFitos is offline
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Default Re: I wanted to stack-a-donk, but the turn card sucks

played fine, you can bet fold the turn too, and if they call, check call river or bet again etc etc.

id consider 3betting the flop btw. (I know you wanted to stack a donk, but this guy may raise/call 53 or something which would be lovely...)
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: I wanted to stack-a-donk, but the turn card sucks

3bet the flop, call turn, fodl river
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Old 09-05-2007, 04:48 PM
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Default Re: I wanted to stack-a-donk, but the turn card sucks

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call turn, fodl river

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Since the river doesn't change anything, why should I call the turn if I should fold the river?
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Old 09-05-2007, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: I wanted to stack-a-donk, but the turn card sucks

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3bet the flop, call turn, call river

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Old 09-05-2007, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: I wanted to stack-a-donk, but the turn card sucks

Looks like everyone is in favor of a flop 3bet.

Apart from the possibility that he might call with 53, what aspects of 3-betting the flop make it a better line than the stack-a-donk line (why is it more +EV)?
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:42 AM
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Default Re: I wanted to stack-a-donk, but the turn card sucks

Yeah I also like 3betting the flop.

He sounds like the kind of player that will call a 3b with worse; Ts, flush draws and other random stuff.

If he has shown a propensity to raise your cont bets and fire again on the turn with atc then stack-a-donk would be good. But with info available I think 3 betting the flop will get value and stop a scare card hitting turn (that either forces you to fold\slowdown or kills your action).

As played on flop, turn and river are good.
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Old 09-06-2007, 04:03 AM
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Default Re: I wanted to stack-a-donk, but the turn card sucks

I think there are too many scarecards (maybe not really scarecards but cards that would make me uneasy) that can come

any club, T, 2, 3, 4, 5, A

i think if you reraise and get called you will be commited so why not represent a flush draw and push?
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Old 09-06-2007, 04:12 AM
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Default Re: I wanted to stack-a-donk, but the turn card sucks

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call turn, fodl river

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Since the river doesn't change anything, why should I call the turn if I should fold the river?

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because villain might be the type to bluff turns but not rivers
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Old 09-06-2007, 04:16 AM
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Default Re: I wanted to stack-a-donk, but the turn card sucks

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call turn, fodl river

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Since the river doesn't change anything, why should I call the turn if I should fold the river?

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because villain might be the type to bluff turns but not rivers

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Why do we go with this line? We can fold turn i think.
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