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Old 09-05-2007, 09:54 PM
tennisjump tennisjump is offline
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I think there's value in Hamil, Bisping hasn't done all that much and I think he's a product of the ufc promoting him

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I completly disagree but i would like to see further reasoning why i should not bet the Farm on Bisping. First of all is Bisping overrated? Maybe.

Is Hamill overrated? For sure that guy is an absolute one trick Pony. He has fought no one that matters even a bit. His greco roman and freestyle wrestling might be great but his hands are non existend. He quite training with Ortiz, and his camp looks really questionable. Beside that rumor has it that Ufc is not his biggest Priority since he is focusing on the olympics 2008. The only way he might get a win is in a lay and pray decision.

Bisping on the other Hand has a great Camp. Wolfslair Academy is by far the best regarding mma that europe has to offer. He prepared for his last two Ufc fights with Kazeka Muniz Gracie Barra Blackbelt and PanAm Champion. Bisping has a strong Kickboxing background. For the fight with Hamill he trained a decent amount of time at big bear with Rampage. Overall it is safe to say that he is the more well roundet Fighter. An aspect i would not want to overlook is that london is his hometurf he does not need to travel has the crowed behind him and his whole structure lined up.

I bought Bisping for 2 Units @ -225 wich i see as a great price.

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Well I don't really think Bisping has been tested in takedown defense to the extent thst Hamill could test him. I wasn't aware that the fight wasn't his full motivation, that does give me pause, can Bisping do damage off his back? He seemed to be taken down with moderate effort in his last fights. I don't think a lay and pray is out of the question
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:23 AM
POlka POlka is offline
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Default Re: UFC 75

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I think there's value in Hamil, Bisping hasn't done all that much and I think he's a product of the ufc promoting him

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I completly disagree but i would like to see further reasoning why i should not bet the Farm on Bisping. First of all is Bisping overrated? Maybe.

Is Hamill overrated? For sure that guy is an absolute one trick Pony. He has fought no one that matters even a bit. His greco roman and freestyle wrestling might be great but his hands are non existend. He quite training with Ortiz, and his camp looks really questionable. Beside that rumor has it that Ufc is not his biggest Priority since he is focusing on the olympics 2008. The only way he might get a win is in a lay and pray decision.

Bisping on the other Hand has a great Camp. Wolfslair Academy is by far the best regarding mma that europe has to offer. He prepared for his last two Ufc fights with Kazeka Muniz Gracie Barra Blackbelt and PanAm Champion. Bisping has a strong Kickboxing background. For the fight with Hamill he trained a decent amount of time at big bear with Rampage. Overall it is safe to say that he is the more well roundet Fighter. An aspect i would not want to overlook is that london is his hometurf he does not need to travel has the crowed behind him and his whole structure lined up.

I bought Bisping for 2 Units @ -225 wich i see as a great price.

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Well I don't really think Bisping has been tested in takedown defense to the extent thst Hamill could test him. I wasn't aware that the fight wasn't his full motivation, that does give me pause, can Bisping do damage off his back? He seemed to be taken down with moderate effort in his last fights. I don't think a lay and pray is out of the question

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A lay and pray or even gnp is truly not out of question but i dont see it happen more then 20% off the time this fight goes. With odds of -225 we need to win this fight 70% off the time to break even.

When the fight was announced i had my own line @ -300 given how things went i would now open Bisping as an even bigger favorite.

Take a look @ Countdown to UFC 75 Champion Vs Champion *hint*[p i rate b ay]*hint* make sure to turn off the sound and just take a look @ Bisping wrestling with rampage and the rest off the team at big bear. Iam sure i want be to hard to come up with a good gameplan against Hamill because off his limited tools.

Regarding the question if he can fight from his back, as i said Kazeka Muniz is a world class Bjj Player he took his time with Bisping preparing for the Eric Schafer fight, while they mostly worked on submission defence iam conficed that he added few things to his reportoire.

Last but not least i dont want to hype Bisping up, actually i dont think that he can hang with the elite in 205 but you have to put things into perspective who he is fighting against.
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