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Old 09-05-2007, 02:41 PM
mongidig mongidig is offline
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Default Turn decision

20-40 live 9 handed. Good loose game. I have a TAG image.

UTG raises, MP calls, I call in cutoff with KhQh, Button calls and the blinds both call.

The flop: Qd7c6s

UTG bets(He has been on fire, seems a bit loose but knows what he is doing. He has shown down big pocket pairs each time he has raised. Seems like he is unable to make a laydown.) MP calls(loose preflop, decent and straightforward postflop), I raise, Button reraises(He is super loose and is typically a calling station. I haven't seen him show much aggression postflop but have only been at the table for 2 hours so not a great read hear.) Folded to BB who caps( I used to play against this guy quite a bit a few years ago. Back then he was a complete drunk maniac but as far as I can see the last couple days he hasn't drank and has pretty much played straightforward.) UTG calls, mp folds, I call.

The turn: Qd7c6sAh

It is checked to the button who bets, BB calls, UTG calls,
and now it is up to me. What is my play?
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:19 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision

You're getting like 20-1 here?

I really want to call in this massive pot, but I really feel as though you have between 0-2 outs.

Tough spot as I hate folding in this huge pot. I just don't think you're hand is ever good, especially with the button's read and the aggression he's shown.

Final Answer : fold.
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:21 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision

Fold the flop cap, as played fold the turn.
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision

holla, loudly
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:47 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision

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Fold the flop cap, as played fold the turn.

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I think that folding to the flop cap getting like 13-1, with top pair and an overcard, effectively closing the action, would be an error.
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:49 PM
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The fact is that we are never ahead on this turn after the A hits, and we have a full 5 outs almost never either. We'd be getting like 17-1, so 3 full outs would probably do the trick for a call, but I don't think we have even close to that on average (I think 1 is about what we have here on average). So I like a fold, though it hurts.
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:59 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision

I smell an open-ender on the flop and someone having an over-pair? What did they have?
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:49 PM
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I would fold on the flop to the capped pot. AQ and sets are killing you.

Turn seems like a fold too, becuase the only hand that you had outs against before (aq), now also has you drawing dead (along with the sets).

What were you putting them on to call the flop?
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Old 09-05-2007, 11:09 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision

cgro, for some reason your comment really cracked me up... but for the hand i like 3-betting preflop a lot, but i'd try to fold the flop and the turn, i wouldnt even peel closing the action in this huge pot, i think we are drawing dead or to one out almost always
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Old 09-06-2007, 12:49 AM
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Default Re: Turn decision

even though you're getting 26:2 on the flop i'd fold. there's a calling station cold 3-betting and a guy who plays straightforward is cold capping out of position. your reverse implied odds are huge and too often you're drawing dead to nearly dead.
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