nut straight with several allins - Page 2

mr.floppy · #11 09-05-2007, 05:58 PM

My read was also correct that one has the ace so i don´t agree with an allin everytime. The pot is too small too risk it all to a split pot. Or what does the others think about it?

KidSensation · #12 09-05-2007, 05:59 PM

At least you got your 120 chips back...

mr.floppy · #13 09-05-2007, 06:08 PM

I guess i´ll fold the next time if this situation arises. Risking all chips to a split? Come on guys, that can´t be the right way to winning poker.
Or do i got the wrong idea? It´s Pokerstars we are talking about! Look at the showdown all Aces in hands!!1

kenny7 · #14 09-05-2007, 06:14 PM

But how on earth can you even consider folding the nuts???? Iknow you are hung up on the split pot thing,but so what?? Seriously,are you going to fold every time someone has the flushdraw and bets into you?

$2000 from a split pot is better than $0 after folding the NUTS!!

Oh,and one more thing,You are playing A5o. What kind of flop/turn are you looking for with this hand if the nut straight isn't good enough?

Proofrock · #15 09-05-2007, 06:22 PM

You could fold if you were playing Omaha. Not here, though.

mr.floppy · #16 09-05-2007, 06:35 PM

I guess you´re right. Folding the nuts here on the river would be stupid. Thank you for discussing this problem! I was thinking about the correct decision for a long time.

erc007 · #17 09-05-2007, 07:31 PM

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Early in 45 SnG tournament:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button (t1455)
Hero (t1850)
BB (t2585)
UTG (t1560)
UTG+1 (t1620)
MP1 (t1390)
MP2 (t1260)
CO (t1780)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, 3 folds, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets t90, BB calls t90, UTG raises to t1530, CO folds, Button calls t1425 (All-In),
Hero ???
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Would you call here? It was obvious that someone could have the nut flushdraw.

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You might be getting freerolled by one of these guys, but it doesn't really matter. What does matter is your read on the other two...if one of them is bad enough to get it in here with a hand like J9dd or any other 9...then this is always a profitable call. Against solid opponents, this is always going to be a chop (with almost no dead money in the pot.) If you're positive that they both have an A, then i don't see how folding is bad.

donquay · #18 09-05-2007, 07:36 PM

wasn't there a youtube instructional video where a guy advocated folding the second nuts on turn because he put the villain on a flush draw and was sure he'd get there on river?

Did OP make that video?

PowerBauer · #19 09-05-2007, 07:57 PM

I wuold have called fast, but i think folding might be right.
Calling is clearly better if you think someone would raise or call allin not having an A. I don't think this is the case. If you fold you have 1750 left. If you call ( and button Folds) and it is split 3-Way you have 1860 if my math was correct, so you can win 110 by calling.
The chance that one of the two has Ad is 2/3.
The chance his second card is a d is 9/44,
Chance he hits a d on the river is 8/43.
So the chance you are outdrawn is ~2,53% or 1:38,5. Since the button might also have an A (as he had) the real nummber might be a bit worse, lets say 1:37.

So the EV of calling is (37*110 - 1300)/38 = 73 chips.

Calling seems to be +EV but I don't like the variance.

(I am not used to this math, so it could all be wrong, if so please correct me)

JammyDodga · #20 09-06-2007, 04:49 AM

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I wuold have called fast, but i think folding might be right.
Calling is clearly better if you think someone would raise or call allin not having an A. I don't think this is the case. If you fold you have 1750 left. If you call ( and button Folds) and it is split 3-Way you have 1860 if my math was correct, so you can win 110 by calling.
The chance that one of the two has Ad is 2/3.
The chance his second card is a d is 9/44,
Chance he hits a d on the river is 8/43.
So the chance you are outdrawn is ~2,53% or 1:38,5. Since the button might also have an A (as he had) the real nummber might be a bit worse, lets say 1:37.

So the EV of calling is (37*110 - 1300)/38 = 73 chips.

Calling seems to be +EV but I don't like the variance.

(I am not used to this math, so it could all be wrong, if so please correct me)

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I think you underestimate the chance of someone getting itin without the ace. I think two-pair, trips, maybe even two diamonds (without the ace) sometime call here.