BB/100/hour projections-is everyone banking this?

[Buzz]

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Since you asked with a note of skepticism I have averaged way over $300k a year for the soon to be four years I have played full time.

[/ QUOTE ]Micturition Man - Easy as pie, eh?

Although it's hard to believe you've amassed over a million bucks playing on-line poker for four years, yet it does seem possible. Very impressive, if true. Thanks for sharing.

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And I know far more people who can say the same than people making $300k a year in real jobs.

[/ QUOTE ]I don't think many do. I certainly didn't. My friends who have become wealthy have mostly done so by good business ventures, clever creative inventive type ideas, and solid real estate investments mostly involving commercial property. My wealthy friends don't talk about how much they earn per year and I don't ask.

$300K per year is phenomenally successful by my standards.

Buzz

[Grandma_DOG]

Hell, I'm one of those inventive/creative types whos started 10+ companies. But I can't even break even at 2/4 O8. I've even hired another employee so can have more free time for poker (and other things).

All I want is to know I have the game beat at that level. I treat O8 like an advanced Donkey Kong; I want to beat the level by 2BB/100 over 10,000 hands before I claim victory and start at the next. Is that a bit to kidlike?

And I take pride that I beat $0.02/0.04 O8 for 34.5 BB/100. (Don't ask for hands played, let me brag.)

Of course, building a bankroll and playing with won money is a pleasure in itself.

Now if I could just figure out what -EV postflop play I'm doing at 1/2 I could beat the game for 2BB/100 and then...

[Buzz]

Grandma - Thanks for sharing. I can relate.

Buzz

[facialabuse]

its always fun to have verified your fear that 2/4 online is infinitely tougher than 10/20 b & m

[Buzz]

facialabuse - This is your thread, after all.
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its always fun to have verified your fear that 2/4 online is infinitely tougher than 10/20 b & m

[/ QUOTE ]I'm not sure how you verified that.

Seems highly individual game dependent to me.

There is no 10/20 b&m Omaha-8 in the Los Angeles Area, at least so far as I know.

I have played in a couple of 10/20 limit Omaha-8 games in Nevada, but that was several years ago. The last several times I've visited Las Vegas, there were no such games, at least that I encountered.

I think 10/20 Omaha-8 games crop up here and there in b&m casinos, but are not self-sustaining for very long, not even on a once a week basis. I'd love to be wrong about this and have someone correct me by telling us where there is such a game in California, Nevada, or Arizona. (The last one I played in (or even encountered) was in Laughlin Nevada, maybe four years ago and that one was a once a week game and only lasted for four or five hours when I played in it).

Mostly what you find in the Los Angeles area is 3/6 and 4/8, both with a kill. You also can usually find a 6/12 game at a casino or two. I've also seen some 2/4. And that's it. That's all there is. Period.

No pot limit Omaha-high or Omaha-8 ring games. No no-limit Omaha-high or Omaha-8 ring games. No Omaha-high ring games at all. (Sometimes there's a higher limit mixed game that includes some form of Omaha or Omaha-8).

The tenor of the games varies with the time of day. During the day, some of those games are rock gardens. The toughness of the games varies with the individuals involved.

I think probably on-line games also vary with the individuals involved. And how best to play at one limit is not necessarily how to play best at another. As I read these posts, it seems to me that many individuals multi-table and play very tightly on either the first betting round or the second betting round, maybe both.

In a way, playing in a 2/4 on-line game with various individuals who were multi-tabling would be like playing in one of those live afternoon rock-gardens. You'd have to multi-table yourself. I think you could probably earn $30K to $40K per year, maybe more, but eking out a living in that fashion seems like an absolutely miserable existence to me.

Players who regularly play in live games in casinos mostly don't play that tightly. And when they do, they stand out like sore thumbs - and are mostly despised and subjected to ridicule. It would be a terrible way for me to spend my time. People I see doing it to make a living simply do not seem happy to me.

Do it if you must, but be advised that it's not all that easy to amass (and keep) a fortune playing poker. Some few evidently do it, but for every success, there are many failures. I think you have to be a damned good poker player to do it.

Just my opinion.

Is 2/4 online more infinitely more difficult than 10/20 live? Probably sometimes.

Buzz

[the_casino_kid]

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i dont want to give u any more information for the reason of u looking me up or stalking me. no offense, just how i feel

[/ QUOTE ]partypoker123 - No problem. I should not have asked the question.

humble people don't give opinions...
At any rate, it looks like your question did get a decent response on the forum to which I moved it. No offense, but in my humble opinion your question simply did not belong on this forum - and so I moved it.

Buzz

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[Buzz]

Casino Kid - Huh?

Looks like you inserted "humble people don't give opinions..." into the midst of that which you quoted.

(At least I don't recall writing "humble people don't give opinions..." And it doesn't seem like something I would write.)

It is true that I sometimes write "in my humble opinion" and if you think humble people don't give opinions, then that must at least seem a paradox to you.

If someone is truly humble are they forbidden to offer their opinions and still keep their humble status? Gee, I don't know. Interesting question. I'll have to think about that.

humbly,
Buzz
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edit: In the particular case of the post I moved, I wasn't sure what to do with the post in question. Although I'm trying to do a decent job as moderator (because I agreed to do the job) I don't really feel like an expert as a moderator. I appreciate this forum and most poster's points of view. I want this forum to be a place where individuals can post their ideas without fear of being ridiculed or abused.

It looked to me as though the post I moved would catch a lot of abuse and ridicule here. And I honestly don't want posts to catch abuse and posters to be ridiculed. But I was unsure of my opinion that the post would be ridiculed (although that had already started). I was also unsure of what to do about the post. And in both of those senses, I had a humble opinion. Get it?

It was a judgment call on my part. And I'm going to keep making judgment calls, humbly or not. They go with the territory.

not so humbly at all in terms of how to respond to you, but no offense intended,
Buzz

[steamboatin]

Buzz, I trust your judgement on everything except availability of live O/8 games. I concede that O/8 doesn't seem to go very often in Las Vegas. Clearly Holdem has eaten the world and NL has eaten Holdem but I digress.

$10-20 O/8 with a half kill can be played every Tuesday at Casino Aztar in Evansville, In. I haven't been for a few months but the game has ran for years so I am reasonably confident it continues but I always recommend calling first.

$5-10 O/8 with a full kill can be played every Wednesday at Argosy Casino in Lawrenceburg, IN. The game starts around four or five in the afternoon and it was still going when I left at 2 AM this morning but there was no list and it probably broke shortly after.

I think some limit of O/8 goes at the Horseshoe in Tunica just about everyday but rumour has it being a rock garden and not very profitable. I haven't played so I am just repeating gossip. There are some Tunica dealers/regulars in B&M forum that would have better information.

PLO goes every Wednesday and usually Friday at Caesar's IN. It is played with three blinds and I can't remember exactly but it is $10-10-20 or $5-10-20 and usually a $40 straddle. The game plays really big.

Caesar's IN often gets a PLO $1-2 blinds with a $300 max buyin. It doesn't go all the time but seems to be increasing in popularity.

Casino Aztar in Evansville, IN also spreads PLO. I think Monday and Wednesday but I don't know the blinds or anything about the action. I understand it to be a smaller game than Caesar's IN.

[franknagaijr]

Buzz - For the record, you've got my vote of confidence. You're bound to make some folks mad every now and again, but it's either that or chaos in the forum.

FWIW, I think a few of the posters may have had you on tilt over the weekend. You recovered well ;-)

Also, I can relate to Grandma Dog's sentiments. Seems like anytime I get profitable, I switch games or stakes to 'keep it interesting.'

Steamboatin' - You haven't whined for a while. Does this mean you're +EV for O8 now? :-)

[davebreal]

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I think 10/20 Omaha-8 games crop up here and there in b&m casinos, but are not self-sustaining for very long, not even on a once a week basis. I'd love to be wrong about this and have someone correct me by telling us where there is such a game in California, Nevada, or Arizona.

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Las Vegas has a $5/$10 game at the Mirage that runs regularly, I didn't play in it as I was too busy being bad beat on rivers at the Wynn ($10/$20 O8).