QQ, K flops, WA/WB?

unzip · #1 09-05-2007, 09:17 AM

Just a quick check.
Nothing noticeable about villain. Will you go WA/WB here on the flop after capping PF? Or are there too many dangerous cards in the deck for us (there are backdoor draws for TT & JJ in case I am ahead).

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.70 BB

sharpie · #2 09-05-2007, 09:28 AM

Eh, bet the turn and if called bet the river, check/folding is awful.

Bona · #3 09-05-2007, 09:48 AM

Uh, no I can't give up this hand on the turn. Since we don't know his preflop 3bet range and he just called the flop I'm thinking we are ahead as often as we are behind and chopping occassionally. If you bet the turn and he raises than we can think about folding.

sean c · #4 09-05-2007, 10:04 AM

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Eh, bet the turn and if called bet the river, check/folding is awful.

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Sharpie,

Are you bet/folding the turn or bet calling down?

sharpie · #5 09-05-2007, 10:08 AM

Without a read I'd bet/call down, but FWIW I rarely play fullring.

KitCloudkicker · #6 09-05-2007, 10:09 AM

this c/f is truly awful.

bet and prob call a raise vs. unknown.

unzip · #7 09-05-2007, 10:40 AM

I am a bit more interested about flop and whether people would use WA/WB line here, although turn is definately for commenting here also.

bozlax · #8 09-05-2007, 11:08 AM

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I am a bit more interested about flop and whether people would use WA/WB line here, although turn is definately for commenting here also.

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Since you capped preflop, you have no choice but to c-bet the flop. You use Vill's reaction to that action to narrow your hand-read and plan your line for the rest of the hand. Given that Vill smooth-called your flop bet, you definitely want to bet again on the turn, and given that there are two flushdraws available at that point you should probably call a raise, and plan on check-calling the river unless an ace falls.

As has been said, check-folding the turn in a case like this is terrible.

Here's an idea: start with a standard pf 3-bet hand-range for Villan, and do the Bayes' analysis once you reach the turn. Show your work.

Bigka79 · #9 09-05-2007, 01:17 PM

yeah i cant fold this on the turn. i think we need to bet/call. the K is a great bluff card for him so u need to call down

nerdking · #10 09-05-2007, 02:21 PM

c/f on the turn has me dry heaving. you capped pf, bet/call flop, as played, lead the turn, turn check oop is just asking for villain to please donk into you.