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Old 09-05-2007, 07:09 AM
BishopsFinger BishopsFinger is offline
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Default Bluffing the scare card against pp?

First ever session at NL100 and in SSNL so be kind.

I found raising donk bets profitable at nl50 so decided to apply the same strat here.

my question - against an unknown does a bet of ~50 on this river chase out enough of the pps >6/random crap/fds from his range to make it profitable?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $116.60
BB: $165.20
UTG: $129.85
Hero (MP): $100.00
CO: $185.70
BTN: $98.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $3.50, BB folds

Flop: ($9) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $9.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $32.00</font>, SB calls $23.00

Turn: ($73) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($73) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $~50?

EDIT: first orbit at table - villain is unknown but has been involved in a lot of pots since i sat
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:21 AM
Fletcher19 Fletcher19 is offline
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Default Re: Bluffing the scare card against pp?

i would imagine a river shove is profitable

i really dislike flop though against an unknown, 77-99 is a pretty big part of his range and raising is just a bit gross.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:22 AM
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Default Re: Bluffing the scare card against pp?

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i would imagine a river shove is profitable

i really dislike flop though against an unknown, 77-99 is a pretty big part of his range and raising is just a bit gross.

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Yah I agree, there's certain flops where raising donkbets is profitable but I doubt this is one.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:34 AM
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Default Re: Bluffing the scare card against pp?

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i would imagine a river shove is profitable

i really dislike flop though against an unknown, 77-99 is a pretty big part of his range and raising is just a bit gross.

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Yah I agree, there's certain flops where raising donkbets is profitable but I doubt this is one.

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what traits do you look for in a flop to make raising the donk profiable?
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:39 AM
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Default Re: Bluffing the scare card against pp?

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i would imagine a river shove is profitable

i really dislike flop though against an unknown, 77-99 is a pretty big part of his range and raising is just a bit gross.

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Yah I agree, there's certain flops where raising donkbets is profitable but I doubt this is one.

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what traits do you look for in a flop to make raising the donk profiable?

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Well, definitely not a paired board. If he has a pocket pair, he's less inclined to believe you have a pair on the board (which is why raising overpairs here is so profitable). Something like T52r or even something like A82 when you have a midpair.

Something that's unlikely to hit him very strongly but something that could also hit your hand.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:41 AM
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Default Re: Bluffing the scare card against pp?

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i would imagine a river shove is profitable

i really dislike flop though against an unknown, 77-99 is a pretty big part of his range and raising is just a bit gross.

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Yah I agree, there's certain flops where raising donkbets is profitable but I doubt this is one.

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what traits do you look for in a flop to make raising the donk profiable?

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Well, definitely not a paired board. If he has a pocket pair, he's less inclined to believe you have a pair on the board (which is why raising overpairs here is so profitable). Something like T52r or even something like A82 when you have a midpair.

Something that's unlikely to hit him very strongly but something that could also hit your hand.

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Old 09-05-2007, 08:48 AM
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Default Re: Bluffing the scare card against pp?

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i really dislike flop though against an unknown, 77-99 is a pretty big part of his range and raising is just a bit gross.

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What traits do you look for in a villain to make raising the donk profiable? (well obviously he's not unknown anymore, but it could be his first donkbet)
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