Dan Harrington. Justified stiff?

[[Phill]]

Whats funny is every single time these threads come up someone does some math, proves dealers get paid well above the national average and then decends into Rez Dogs quotes, the flawed concept that bad dealers wont deal because they dont get paid enough (see market forces) and "they stiffed us and stuff" from dealers.

Also, there is litterally no evidence that Dan did anything outlined in the OP.

[Dima2000123]

Tipping should be outlawed and treated as a bribe (which it is). That way all this unseemly begging would be eliminated, misunderstandings would be avoided, and service providers wouldn't have the incentive to extort tips by providing intentionally poor and incompetent service.

[davidlong14]

He had ALREADY tipped them $48 000 for @#$% sake! The dealers should have bought him hot 'n cold running lap dances all nite.

[Gunnarr]

Why is tipping even allowed to people who are supposed to be impartial in a competitive environment? I honestly feel tipping of dealers and floorstaff should be against regulations.

Whats to stop an employee from going oh its Dan, he doesnt tip, and then treating him differently.

To put it in perspective, how would people feel if there was a thread bemoaning the fact Peyton Manning didnt tip the referrees after last years Superbowl.

[Statutory]

I will never tip dealers after a tournament score. If I did, I am sure it "wouldn't be enough" and not one person would be grateful. Since I'm definitely not going to leave an exorbitant tip, and will get grief for anything else, might as well save some money and not tip a dime.

[RR]

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We (meaning people who win tourneys) should really start a trend of not-tipping.

Basically every year the juice gets higher and higher, yet people keep tipping the same. It's practically a scam.

If people just stop tipping then the casinos will be forced to directly give the dealers fair compensation, and poker players can just pay the juice and be done with it.

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Or the better dealers will leave the industry and you will be left with dealers that are happy making the lower amount. I mention this about every time this comes up; if you don't want to tip, don't tip; just don't complain when the tournament hosts aren't able to get good dealers.

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Heh? You think the good dealers at the WSOP are thinking "I love dealing the WSOP, but I won't any more since that Yeng guy didn't tip extra"?

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I think good dealer out there are thinking "I'm not going to take some time off and go deal the WSOP because it is less money than I make at my regular job." The WSOP of left with the dealers that make less than that at their regular jobs. As the amount the WSOP dealers make go down the weaker the dealers will be.

[Mr_Mxyztplk]

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I will never tip dealers after a tournament score. If I did, I am sure it "wouldn't be enough" and not one person would be grateful. Since I'm definitely not going to leave an exorbitant tip, and will get grief for anything else, might as well save some money and not tip a dime.

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thats fine, just be sure to tell that to the dealers when you first sit down.

[UbinTook]

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Also, it's a little weird/absurd to me that poker players, who are so thoroughly spendthrift/profligate in all aspects of life, suddenly become prudent and cost-conscious at the end of a tournament and then begin penny-pinching.

For instance, I'm sure that some of you advocating not tipping in tournaments do tip bouncers at clubs--I see door-guys get $100 just to take customers to the table and much more if they're providing any kind of special treatment. Not only are these employees already grossly overpaid, but you'll never see them again or work with them in any context.

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Another "for instance" is that of servers...especially HOT servers, many players dont think twice coming off for a few dollars (or more) everytime the waitress brings them something, yet when they win a monster pot, coming off for a dollar, well, they are "doing this for a living you know".
But lets not forget...the ego gets stroked with the psuedo expectation that the waitress think he is a "baller" (when he in fact has NO chance.) Same principle can be applied to super hot poker dealers being tipped better as well.

THAT said...harrington left 48k, in REALITY that was plenty, the $1 to each guard was rude.

[crfergu]

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I do mostly uniform work, with some plain-clothed, and I can tell you, in my three year career, I've been tipped probably twice, and both tips added together weren't enough to buy a medium 3 topping pizza from Pizza Hut.

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Was it enough for a medium 2 topping pizza though?

[[Phill]]

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I will never tip dealers after a tournament score. If I did, I am sure it "wouldn't be enough" and not one person would be grateful. Since I'm definitely not going to leave an exorbitant tip, and will get grief for anything else, might as well save some money and not tip a dime.

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thats fine, just be sure to tell that to the dealers when you first sit down.

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Are you implying that dealers would act differently if you told them that.

If so, do you not realise why that is a problem?