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Old 09-04-2007, 08:00 AM
pirlouit pirlouit is offline
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Default JJ overplayed ?

No read so far (just played a few hands b4)

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
hero: $41.45
UTG+1: $29.50
CO: $2.50
Button: $28.75
SB: $20.15
BB: $16.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO 3-bets</font>, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero caps</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (13SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO calls all-in $0.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, hero calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10BB, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: 8BB, Sidepot 1: 2BB)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, hero calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (12BB, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: 8BB, Sidepot 1: 4BB)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 14BB
<font color="#ffffff">SB showed 5s Ks</font>
<font color="#ffffff">hero mucks Jd Js</font>
<font color="#ffffff">CO mucks 2d Ah</font>

I don't give CO much credit, since he's gonna be all-in.
SB cold calls his 3bet =&gt; that's a warning, but maybe that was for the same reason.

Flop is quite bad and SB donks. What does it mean ?
- trying a "weak" sumi bluff with small PP, an ace or a gutshot ? maybe
- hope I will raise to shut out the other player ? No, cause he's already almost alli n
- "strong" semi-bluff with 2 spades ? Why not, that would explain his preflop call (maybe SC)
- a queen or a 9 ? maybe
- a king ? definitely many hands he would have cold-called preflop.
- JT ? why not waiting for the C/R ?

I thought his 3bets narrows his range to a K or 2 spades.
I think a can peel the flop (6 outs and a BDFD) but should I give up on the turn ?
I think I should.

River was a clear fold.
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Old 09-04-2007, 08:07 AM
mvoss mvoss is offline
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Default Re: JJ overplayed ?

Just call the flop. As played you have to call the turn. The river is an easy fold.
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Old 09-04-2007, 08:39 AM
Gurravasa Gurravasa is offline
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Default Re: JJ overplayed ?

Call flop and turn, fold river UI. Flopraise is a spew...
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:17 PM
akvsaq akvsaq is offline
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Default Re: JJ overplayed ?

Flop raise accomplishes nothing. The chance you are ahead is slim to none. Just peel flop and turn. You prob have about 5-6 outs. Yes, the SB can have a FD or maybe an idiot w/ a 9 but you have to beat the all-in player behind you. Does not look good, you need to hit.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:27 PM
Scorcho Scorcho is offline
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Default Re: JJ overplayed ?

You lit a dollar bill on fire on the flop and then another on the river.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:29 PM
jba jba is offline
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Default Re: JJ overplayed ?

your hand is awful on the flop, why are you trying to build a bigger pot?
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