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Old 09-04-2007, 08:23 AM
pirlouit pirlouit is offline
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Prima Poker skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $38.26
UTG+1: $29.98
CO: $46.82
hero: $47.05
SB: $4.50
BB: $96.32

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero caps</font>, 3 folds, CO calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (11.5SB, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, hero calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 12.75BB
<font color="#ffffff">CO shows Qc Qh</font>

I interpreted his raise on the turn as :
most likely :
- a flush draw (AhKh, KhQh)
- a T (maybe AT given his 3bet)
- trips
- a strong PP
more unlikely (given his 3 bet preflop)
- a straight draw
- 2 pairs
- a made straight
- a pair and a straight draw

The 6 was not so bad :
- I don't think he would have raised the turn with a lone six
- If the 6 helped him, it helped a hand I was already behind.
BUT
It helped me against any other 2 pairs.
I can think of only one hand I was ahead, that got helped by the 6 was : 86. But not very likely given his preflop 3-bet.

I think that I had to call the river, cause it will be a busted flush draw or a ten once in 11.

What do you think ?
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Old 09-04-2007, 08:29 AM
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Default Re: calldown with JJ

Don't think I could play it any other way.

Any reads on CO?
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Old 09-04-2007, 08:47 AM
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Default Re: calldown with JJ

many busted draws out there and I probably would raise/fold river since we beat most 2-pair he might have
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Old 09-04-2007, 08:55 AM
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Default Re: calldown with JJ

You played it fine.
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Old 09-04-2007, 10:59 AM
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Default Re: calldown with JJ

I can tell you my range when I play like the CO:

pre-flop: AJs+, TT+

flop: Any of the above hands that have at least a backdoor draw.

river: You beat nothing I play this way.

Against an unknown I call down though with a hand this strong, but I don't expect to win.
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Old 09-04-2007, 11:04 AM
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Default Re: calldown with JJ

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many busted draws out there and I probably would raise/fold river since we beat most 2-pair he might have

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What 2 pair? You think this guy is 3-betting suited connectors pre-flop without a read? Don't raise the river when you don't know how to respond to a 3-bet, which you don't.
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Old 09-04-2007, 11:05 AM
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Default Re: calldown with JJ

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river: You beat nothing I play this way.


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ATs? 88/99?
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Old 09-04-2007, 11:11 AM
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Default Re: calldown with JJ

If I did raise those against an UTG raiser, and I might, I wouldn't be playing them like that on the turn.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:10 PM
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Default Re: calldown with JJ

What 2 pr hand do you counterfeit that CO 3B pf? 75 or T7 or T5? Seems VERY unlikely so I don't like a river raise/fold. I think hero played fine. Also, raising the river and folding to 3B looks very bad for your image. Not saying I never raise river/fold but the risk/reward does not look favorable. Although it is a .50/1 game and I guess there can be an argument for players being less attentive.
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Old 09-04-2007, 01:39 PM
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Default Re: calldown with JJ

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many busted draws out there and I probably would raise/fold river since we beat most 2-pair he might have

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What 2 pair? You think this guy is 3-betting suited connectors pre-flop without a read? Don't raise the river when you don't know how to respond to a 3-bet, which you don't.

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I know how to respond, I fold.
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