Dan Harrington. Justified stiff?

[J.C. Gloves]

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I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] these tipping threads, just chock full of entertainment. Like this gem:

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How many tournaments does Dan bust out of between these "great financial windfalls"? Why is it your business if he tips in addition to what is already withheld? How are we supposed to know where the 3% withholding (in this case) goes when the casinos often refuse to divulge this info? Why do people in the payout room disrespect Dan's privacy and post his tipping decision on a public forum?

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OMG just so damn funny when you read it out loud. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Damn, that is pretty funny if you read it out loud. Especially if you use an angry voice... [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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I DID, I DID! ahahahah! thx

[boohaa12]

what about the dam sats to get into the WPT legends. 1k+60... (x10) = 600$ for casino... and the dam thing takes just under 90mins. . . . . [censored] that.

[realjaydub]

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People should quit being money nits and tip, especially after a 1.3 million win. Not like $20 bucks is going to kill your +EV.

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LOL this statement is spoken like a true idiot.

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Yes I'm, a "true idiot" unlike a 'false idiot'.

[ortega,juan]

chris ferguson definitely advocates not tipping the dealers (beyond the takeout alotted and so alot of other well known tourney pros). its not because their cheap, its because 3 percent should be enough to make the dealers well payed.

Its probably the dealers themselves who come on every few months when this happens to complain. but they really should focus their efforts on casino management instead of blaming the players.

its not really a stiff. its basically like going to a restaurant where 15 percent is taken out already.

as for giving the security guards a buck that seems a bit on the cheap side, but as for the tourney tip you will get alot of pros who make their living saying it is necessary to take a stand against giving away more of the prizepool.

[Gonso]

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We (meaning people who win tourneys) should really start a trend of not-tipping.

Basically every year the juice gets higher and higher, yet people keep tipping the same. It's practically a scam.

If people just stop tipping then the casinos will be forced to directly give the dealers fair compensation, and poker players can just pay the juice and be done with it.

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Or the better dealers will leave the industry and you will be left with dealers that are happy making the lower amount. I mention this about every time this comes up; if you don't want to tip, don't tip; just don't complain when the tournament hosts aren't able to get good dealers.

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It's pretty much that simple. In the end, the players are always paying for the dealers in one way or another, it's not as if the casino's will.

The only real upside to dealing is the hourly rate IMO, which is generally stronger than other vocations that require a comparable amount of training. This higher wage is offset by the poor benefits, working conditions, hours and other things in this industry.

The idea that dealers would work for $12 or $13 hours on average is out the window. I can't imagine there'd be many dealers left willing to work for that. There's a certain income threshold below which good dealers just won't work, and beyond that there's a certain threshold where even bad dealers won't work either.

[ClayGongora]

I just dont understand how you can win 1 million dollars or so and not give like 5k. I also think the " I already tipped, 3% of the prizepool was withheld for the dealers "...is really old, you didn't tip 100k or whatever the amount came out to be....you tipped your entry fee plus staff fee, which is usually 1-300$.

[Ramon Scott]

On tipping bathroom attendants...

If I walk in and the joint doesn't smell totally like a bathroom, especially a stinky one *and you know what I'm talking about...

then they get the one dollar...

any hint of a bad defication... no chance

[memento_mori]

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Thread summary:




I don't tip yo.



(Gesticulating forcefully with spoon) Dealing is a hard job, they need that money.




You know what this is? It's the world's smallest violin playing just for the dealers. You don't feel the need to tip at McDonald's do you?




Who didn't cough up their buck?



LOL

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NH, my first thought when I saw the thread.

[gaamblor]

Last year they took i think 1.5% or 2% "fee" none of which is supposed to go to dealers/floor so all was left to the players discretion.

When i won last year they very helpfully calculated the 3% number and had it printed out before i got to the room

i ended up giving a big number but a bit less than the 3%, and i still feel conflicted about it (feeling i gave too much). Had i known they were going to start taking 3% off the top this year i would have given less.

i found the process very pressured and unseemly since it was designed that way. Full Tilt or oliver or whomever got chris ferguson in the room with jerry yang did him a great favor. I have no idea how it could be done but somehow people who are new to big cashes need a resource they can trust to assist in this decision.

as mike said we have no idea where this money goes and by any logical calculation dealers are compensated quite well. I have heard anecdotally from a few dealers that they get paid very well on the tournament circuit relative to other dealing opportunities

I find it absurd that they would even suggest a player tip additionally to the 3% they already took. When i cashed for 292k at bellagio it was just me and jack backstage, i initiated the conversation and told him i felt they do a great job but the 3% they take covers my tip, he didn't seem to care and i felt no pressure or guilt out of the situation which is how it should be.

on the other hand giving the security guards $1 is a bit weak, though i never even thought about it so whats worse?

alternatively when i deposited my check at the bank should i have tipped them since it was so large and took extra processing? should i have tipped them for the large wire transfer i did soon thereafter? should i tip them when i withdraw 10k cash for a buyin?

[ortega,juan]

yeah considering this is about the 5th similar thread (i.e. player x stiffed the dealers - at some point its not a stiff.) the fact of the matter is that dealers should basically understand there is a 50 50 chance that the winner might not tip beyond what is taken out already. so, if they dont like that possibility than they should not work the circuit.

i guess these posts are basically made by dealers in hopes of shaming the next winner to tip beyond what is taken out already. in dan's case he might just be cheap. but in alot of ways other guys like Ferguson are doing tourney grinders a favor by taking this stand. its not an effort to rip off dealers, its just the concept that somehow the casino should be able to compensate the dealers well using 3 percent.