Dan Harrington. Justified stiff?

[LoosenUp]

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However, I also heard that he tipped each of the two security guards that walked him to his car w/ his $1.6M check $1 each.

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This part did not happen, where exactly did you "HEARD" THIS.


and 3% percent (and what do mean in theory?) of win is more than enough for dealers and personnel

[jdock99]

Well, if someone located in Boston, MA tells me that this didn't happen I really can't argue with that, now can I. Obviously you are in the know.

Anyways, I think the whole tipping/not tipping debate has to do w/ how tournament poker has evolved over the past few years. Up until a few years ago, tournaments were few and far between and were mainly attended by amateur losing poker players. In addition, they were not designed to make the casino money, just to get people in the door who would go to live games after they busted out.

To put things in perspective, I remember the first Legends I went to (7 yrs ago) almost all of the events were $300 or $500 and this was one of the biggest events of the year.

Like with cash games, at this time it was customary for any player who cashed to tip and the salary/pay scales for the casino/tournament employees reflected this customary practice. Keep in mind at this time, most people who won/cashed in tournaments were recreational players and not worried about EV or making a living.

Fast forward to today and there are way more tournaments and they are way bigger. Not only that but many of the people who play in tournaments are professional players, or at least think they are. Now, everyone is worried about EV and rake and everything else, so they are not tipping. Add this to the fact that many of the players today come from the internet, as opposed to starting at live cash games, and so the tipping culture has not been engrained into them.

Obviously, casinos are tuning into this fact and so they are gradually changing their policies to account for the fact that many tournament players do not tip anymore. So they are taking higher juice to compensate. Additionally, casinos are trying to make money off of tournaments themsevles now, as tournaments have become popular and are played by many people who will not go play live games after they bust out.

I have a feeling within the next couple years, if this hasn't happened already, the juice will go up and this will go completely to paying the employees, and tipping will pretty much be completely removed from the tournament scene, except for occasionally when a lucky amateur cash game player makes a big score and tips because that is what they do.

[Gutshot Jimmy]

Thread summary:




I don't tip yo.



(Gesticulating forcefully with spoon) Dealing is a hard job, they need that money.




You know what this is? It's the world's smallest violin playing just for the dealers. You don't feel the need to tip at McDonald's do you?




Who didn't cough up their buck?



LOL

[BigSoonerFan]

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However, I also heard that he tipped each of the two security guards that walked him to his car w/ his $1.6M check $1 each. IMHO, this is ridiculously cheap and frankly offensive. I think in his position I would have tipped AT LEAST $20. I mean, seriously, why even bother tipping if you are just gonna tip $1?

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It's a check(for 1.6 million!), is somebody going to steal it and run to the nearest cashing place? They did probably 5 minutes of escorting (aka walking).

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They were protecting him from the staff!

[MicroBob]

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I have it on good record ...

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Exactly what does that mean?

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That's what I was going to post.
This is a weird phrase.

Also, just because the OP says that "he heard" that Dan tipped security $1 doesn't necessarily mean that it's true.


To RR's point - My understanding of the WSOP in LV was that the rake/percentage was pretty high and the treatment of the players was kind of lousy.
When I played it in 2005 I thought the quality of dealer was pretty poor.
So in situations like this where they're already taking out a fee AND you aren't even getting good service in the first place it sure seems reasonable to walk away saying, "the 3% you guys already took is MORE than enough."

[Mr_Mxyztplk]

I think tippin should be optional, but if your not going to tip, you should tell your waiter/dealer before he serves you, only fair

[Gonso]

Of all the reasons to stiff, I'll never understand people who do so because the casino juice is a lot. It's like stiffing a waitress because the restaurant is overpriced.

Some places have add-ons that do go toward the dealers and so on, and that's different. But some areas can't do this at all, including mine, and the result is that dealers hate dealing tournaments... which is why you find a lot of these bigger tournaments being dealt by more inexperienced dealers. Something has to give, right? You can deal the Borgata open with very little experience, and look at those buy-ins.

However, 3 percent going to the dealers is more than fine for a 1m win. Calling this case a stiff is rediculous, so long as it does in fact go to the dealers... I mean this is a good tip for a cash that size. the 3-5% rnge is generally for far smaller tourneys.

[ortega,juan]

This has happened so many times now. I guess the dealers should learn there is a pretty good chance they are just going to get the 3 percent and thats it.

in all honesty the casinos are just taking advantage of the players if they want more.

the real problem is that like half goes to the staff and half goes to the players.

not that ill ever play a WPT event again but i would feel pressured to tip over what they took out and that is pretty wrong. its basically the casinos just trying to cut their costs at the expense of the players.

alot of big name players have said dont tip. 3 percent used to be standard and it used to all go to the dealers. its really the casino screwing the dealers by sending some of the money to staff.

[PrimogenitoX]

ZBTHorton won $25K at Winstar last week and was escorted out by two security guards. He gave them a $20 each.

[J.C. Gloves]

I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] these tipping threads, just chock full of entertainment. Like this gem:

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How many tournaments does Dan bust out of between these "great financial windfalls"? Why is it your business if he tips in addition to what is already withheld? How are we supposed to know where the 3% withholding (in this case) goes when the casinos often refuse to divulge this info? Why do people in the payout room disrespect Dan's privacy and post his tipping decision on a public forum?

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OMG just so damn funny when you read it out loud. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]