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Old 09-03-2007, 04:26 PM
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Default What\'s the weakest hand I can profitably do this vs. an unknown

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $61.45
BB: $29.70
UTG: $14.35
MP: $39.05
Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $33.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt XX (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, BTN calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB folds

Flop: ($2.80) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.00</font>, BTN calls $2.00, SB folds

Turn: ($6.80) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $4.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $22.15</font>
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Old 09-03-2007, 05:58 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the weakest hand I can profitably do this vs. an unknown

Grunch-

I think the answer is ATC.

His minimum calling hand should be Tx, he has to have a ten more than 33% of the time for the push to be -EV.
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Old 09-03-2007, 06:04 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the weakest hand I can profitably do this vs. an unknown

I dont like this kind of play at all, why even take the risk I say wait for a better spot.
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Old 09-03-2007, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the weakest hand I can profitably do this vs. an unknown

Are you kidding lol, I've seen unknowns call with AK AQ 22+ all kinds here, and this one had something better than that in all likelyhood.

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Old 09-03-2007, 06:24 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the weakest hand I can profitably do this vs. an unknown

He said it was an unknown, not a calling station.

By the AQ+22+ flush draw,straight draw calling range logic your push range should be something like a 7x or better for value. I don't really buy that, though.
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Old 09-03-2007, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the weakest hand I can profitably do this vs. an unknown

Doing this with 88 is probably +ev.
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Old 09-03-2007, 06:37 PM
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i'd say 88 or AXdd
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Old 09-03-2007, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the weakest hand I can profitably do this vs. an unknown

I'm trying to figure out how this is profitable, since as a beginner it seems intuitively a bad play to push without having a good hand. I think that this becomes a profitable play because of fold equity right?

When the other play folds you win $11.05 when they have a ten and call you lose $51.10. Are those pot sizes right? I wasn't including the all-in bet for the pot that you win, but I was including all of the money you bet for the pot if you lost. So thats about 1:5. So you need to win this pot more than around 83% of the time. Is that right? I apologize if I'm just completely off.
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Old 09-03-2007, 09:23 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the weakest hand I can profitably do this vs. an unknown

The EV of this is
(100-x)%[P(51.10)-22.15] + x%(11.05), where P is our pot equity when called, and x is the percentage of times villain folds. We don't always lose when we are called unless we are drawing dead vs. villain's calling range.
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Old 09-03-2007, 09:33 PM
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Default Re: What\'s the weakest hand I can profitably do this vs. an unknown

its probably easier to just not put crazy moves on unknowns than to calculate equity versus a range of players and subsequent ranges of hands and responses.
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