Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Tournament Poker > STT Strategy
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-03-2007, 01:37 AM
amurophil amurophil is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: stocktone
Posts: 8
Default $6 top pair decent kicker in multiway pot

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t40/t80
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1050
UTG+1: t1030
MP1: t3110
CO: t1160
Button: t5060
SB: t610
Hero: t1480

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to t160</font>, MP1 calls t160 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t280)</font>, CO calls t160 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t440)</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls t80 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t600)</font>.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t680, 4 players)

I call preflop here right? he only doubles the blind, and a lot of people are jumping in, so I figure "why not" if its just another 80, already being in the bb
then on the flop,
lead?
check/call?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-03-2007, 02:05 AM
taipan168 taipan168 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 876
Default Re: $6 top pair decent kicker in multiway pot

Check/fold. If you're calling preflop, you're looking for two pair or better (or a very good draw like an OESFD) to continue when there are three opps seeing the flop.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-03-2007, 02:50 AM
amurophil amurophil is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: stocktone
Posts: 8
Default Re: $6 top pair decent kicker in multiway pot

[ QUOTE ]
Check/fold. If you're calling preflop, you're looking for two pair or better (or a very good draw like an OESFD) to continue when there are three opps seeing the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

if those are the only sorts of hands I am looking to make, is this call preflop -EV?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-03-2007, 02:56 AM
HajiShirazu HajiShirazu is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Writing the shortstack manifesto
Posts: 3,258
Default Re: $6 top pair decent kicker in multiway pot

It's close between checking and evaluating, probably going AI to any bet other than the PFR, or just shoving on the flop. I would probably check.
Calling preflop is fine but you have to know what to do when you get a flop like this if you are going to call.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-03-2007, 03:10 AM
taipan168 taipan168 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 876
Default Re: $6 top pair decent kicker in multiway pot

[ QUOTE ]
if those are the only sorts of hands I am looking to make, is this call preflop -EV?

[/ QUOTE ]
It's a question of implied odds to me. Can't remember the exact stats, but from memory you're about 4-5% to hit two pair or better (or an OESFD) on the flop so at a minimum you need to be able to win 20-25x the chips you need to call preflop to give you correct implied odds. If there was just one opp, you'd then need to add on some more to take into account the times that opps don't stack off if you hit. Since there are three opps in this hand, that increases the chance that somebody will stack off.

In this case you need to call off 80 chips to see a pot of 600, plus if you double up once you can win a total of 2000 chips. There's always a chance that you more than double up, so I think you do have implied odds to call here.

Of course this ignores those times when less than two pair is sufficient to win the pot but I think that's counterbalanced by those times when you do flop two pair or better and stack off anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-03-2007, 03:17 AM
RexWoo RexWoo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: 16s & 27s
Posts: 3,419
Default Re: $6 top pair decent kicker in multiway pot

Fold preflop, you'll like it.

As played, your hand ca only lose you chips in a 4 way pot. c/f
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.