NL Holdem subjects Sklansky and Miller are avoiding

[aszmel]

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Which brings me to the question: Since there is no single book that teaches the elements of nolimit holdem "talent" listed by Sklansky and Miller above, what is a good combo of books, both poker and non-poker, that would teach those elements?

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if anybody is able to explain how talented player play profitable ie at 30vpip/20pfr/4af? he's just superior at making right decisions postflop even in marginal situations, at seeing opponents' tendencies, flaws in their betting lines, adjusting and opening his unexploitable from game theory point of view game to exploitable one in order to exploit his opponents, you have it (and you know it) or you don't have it and should work on your skill to achieve higher level of better play through working and thinking, imo proper combo books for that is NLHT&P, PNL1 (and PNL2, hope soon!), MOP, this forum and... hardly thinking and analyzing own game... imho

[Gonso]

I liked NLHE:TAP for a lo of reasons, even if it ins't perfect (it isn't). That said I do think the subject of hand range evaluations is best addressed by NLHE specialists. The Cardrunners guys do a pretty good job of this, for example. PLaying online helps teach this concept better IMO because you have a little help from the HUD that you don't have live.

Prior to internet poker, I didn't have a feel for how often a person was actually raising, for example. "Hey, this guy is raising often", sure, but I have a much better feel for what 10% versus 20% PFR feels like. I also (thanks to Stove) know wtf constitutes the top 15% of hands more or less in these spots as well.

What we really need is a good hand range calculator where you can not only evaluate hands against ranges (like pokerstove), but one where you can assign different probabilities to each hand in the ranges. It would be nice to have a (quick) way to see if my estimates are reasonable or not... I've done the math for a few big hands, where I'd estimated his range correctly, but came to the wrong figure on the spot. Sitting down later I found the errors... but I don't want too many like that.

I mean, I don't expect to be able to figure out that my AJs is a 65.45 favorite against the range I estimate for PLayer X, but I'd like them to be reasonably close. Just going back and checking the numbers has given me a better feel for estimating, but again pokerstove doesn't allow me to give more or less weight to the different possible hands. Maybe I'll open that up in another thread.

But in the case of Sklansky, hmm. Maybe leaving out the hand range stuff wasn't bad, leave that to other authors who are probably more experienced with the game play aspect of ranges.