So mother [censored] sick

[Daliman]

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having a wheel draw in 4 is worse then having A23 on third...i thought this was common knowledge.

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posted to empathize
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1433517

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It's not common knowledge, please elaborate.

[fozzy71]

All this thread made me do.............


was realize how much I miss Half-Pot Limit Badugi. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[ceegee]

First of all when it showdowns THEY DO rearange cards, you never know what he had in the hole.
Second you are an idiot for raising with a K showing.
Third I don't feel like making fun of you anymore, but ya bad play.

[oscillator]

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having a wheel draw in 4 is worse then having A23 on third...i thought this was common knowledge.

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http://www.pokerhand.org/?1433517

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It's not common knowledge, please elaborate.

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i'm still unsure of the answer...i just know it to be true. trail and error, meh.

A234 in razz = rolled up in stud = nut straight on flop in omaha = kk in hold em.

[Daliman]

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having a wheel draw in 4 is worse then having A23 on third...i thought this was common knowledge.

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posted to empathize
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1433517

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It's not common knowledge, please elaborate.

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i'm still unsure of the answer...i just know it to be true. trail and error, meh.

A234 in razz = rolled up in stud = nut straight on flop in omaha = kk in hold em.

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That's 2 straight posts you have made in this thread that make little sense. In other words, it is a powerhouse hand, but it's not the nuts? Gee thanks.

Either way, I'd be willing to bet a decent, but not big amount of $$$ that A234 start is better than A23 start in Razz, and if you're just saying ANY wheel draw is worse in general than A23 start, that's obv closer, but I;d still think any wheel draw is better.

Seriously, this just sounds retardedly obv. If you are going to make such a bold statement as calling this "common knowledge, you should have some facts to back it up.

Also, FWIW(dunno if this calculates properly 3 vs 4 cards, but);

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3025024
pokenum -mc 500000 -r as 2s 3d - ad 2h 3c 4d
Razz (7-card Stud A-5 Low): 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 2s 3d 139279 27.86 344260 68.85 16461 3.29 0.295
3c Ad 4d 2h 344260 68.85 139279 27.86 16461 3.29 0.705

Even the WORST wheel draw is far better;

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3025027
pokenum -mc 500000 -r as 2s 3d - 5s 4c 3h 2h
Razz (7-card Stud A-5 Low): 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 2s 3d 162782 32.56 332147 66.43 5071 1.01 0.331
5s 4c 3h 2h 332147 66.43 162782 32.56 5071 1.01 0.669

So I'm just gonna go out on a limb and guess you have no clue what you are talking about.

[rewt75]

[blah_blah]

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by the way no one gives a [censored] about razz but whining like a little girl when your A234 loses to 2345 is completely analogous to getting 22 ai vs AKo in holdem, losing, and berating your opponent because I HAS A PAIR

strat in BBV and all but equity is always an infinitely more relevant statistic than whoever has the best hand at a given moment.

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Wow... So you're one of the really REALLY dumb ones?


edit: wow youre dumb

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hey man keep posting you'll be a bbv superstar one of these days. but until then let's summarize the thread

1) FTP sorts (not shuffles) hole cards.
2) you had the best hand on fourth but your opponent had better equity
3) wannabe BBV superstar BTYS tells me that i am a horrible poster
4) still no one gives a [censored] about razz

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5) you are wrong and you are a whiny little bitch

[BowToYourSensei]

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by the way no one gives a [censored] about razz but whining like a little girl when your A234 loses to 2345 is completely analogous to getting 22 ai vs AKo in holdem, losing, and berating your opponent because I HAS A PAIR

strat in BBV and all but equity is always an infinitely more relevant statistic than whoever has the best hand at a given moment.

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Wow... So you're one of the really REALLY dumb ones?


edit: wow youre dumb

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hey man keep posting you'll be a bbv superstar one of these days. but until then let's summarize the thread

1) FTP sorts (not shuffles) hole cards.
2) you had the best hand on fourth but your opponent had better equity
3) wannabe BBV superstar BTYS tells me that i am a horrible poster
4) still no one gives a [censored] about razz

e:

5) you are wrong and you are a whiny little bitch

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"wanna be"?

pfffffffffffffft, please

god himself wishes he were me

[DcifrThs]

lol, <3 his early street play.

sucka drew a wheel on your ass and you bricked off.

at least you found good games.

Barron

[Chump Change]

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hey man keep posting you'll be a bbv superstar one of these days. but until then let's summarize the thread

1) FTP sorts (not shuffles) hole cards.
2) you had the best hand on fourth but your opponent had better equity
3) wannabe BBV superstar BTYS tells me that i am a horrible poster
4) still no one gives a [censored] about razz

e:

5) you are wrong and you are a whiny little bitch

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See, it's trolling like this I don't even understand.

Scroll up, it's not hard to remember. Nobody was talking to you and you started talking s--t out of the blue. Remember when you typed this,

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by the way no one gives a [censored] about razz but whining like a little girl when your A234 loses to 2345 is completely analogous to getting 22 ai vs AKo in holdem, losing, and berating your opponent because I HAS A PAIR

strat in BBV and all but equity is always an infinitely more relevant statistic than whoever has the best hand at a given moment.

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?

That's the definition of being a "whiny little bitch".

Surely you're not dumb enough to think I or anybody else is dumb enough to not notice this?

I mean, come on bro, you're at 2p2 with some of the premier world-class trolls. This bush league trolling is just laughable.