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Old 08-31-2007, 09:52 PM
usha usha is offline
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Default 4/180 AKo early facing PF 3bet

This is one of the first hands of a 4/180.
I've already seen people 3bet here early with 88+ or AJ+ and [censored], but I have no reads at all.

What do you do?
1. fold
2. call
3. push

if you call, what is your flop plan?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

CO (t1500)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1340)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1480)
Hero (t1500)
MP2 (t1440)
MP3 (t1790)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero ?
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:02 PM
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Default Re: 4/180 AKo early facing PF 3bet

I'd prob just flat call and shove any flop with an A or K. Or you could shove now too, in these things you could be up against 77-AA AJ-AK, maybe even KQ suited
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:08 PM
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Default Re: 4/180 AKo early facing PF 3bet

shove
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:16 PM
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Default Re: 4/180 AKo early facing PF 3bet

Pushing is best, I think. Folding is second best and calling is bad. If you call off almost 1/5 of your stack here you could get bet off your hand by AJ if you both miss and you might not win any additional money vs. 88 and such if you hit.
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:40 PM
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Default Re: 4/180 AKo early facing PF 3bet

i will just go fold i dont want a coin flip at the begging, and i dont want any coin flip with a M&gt;10, for all my stack
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:43 PM
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Default Re: 4/180 AKo early facing PF 3bet

this is such an easy shove. You are in mp1 so his reraising range is wide and its early. Deffo push.
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Old 08-31-2007, 11:00 PM
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Default Re: 4/180 AKo early facing PF 3bet

Shove. Early on, people raise with strange hands. Take advantage of all the dead money in the tournament because it ain't around for long. Get in a race and build a big stack quickly.
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Old 08-31-2007, 11:24 PM
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Default Re: 4/180 AKo early facing PF 3bet

[ QUOTE ]
I'd prob just flat call and shove any flop with an A or K. Or you could shove now too, in these things you could be up against 77-AA AJ-AK, maybe even KQ suited

[/ QUOTE ]

Why would you just call, then shove flops where you're almost 100% to be ahead, letting him fold?
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Old 09-01-2007, 03:15 AM
erc007 erc007 is offline
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Default Re: 4/180 AKo early facing PF 3bet

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This is one of the first hands of a 4/180.
I've already seen people 3bet here early with 88+ or AJ+ and [censored], but I have no reads at all.

What do you do?
1. fold
2. call
3. push

if you call, what is your flop plan?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

CO (t1500)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1340)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1480)
Hero (t1500)
MP2 (t1440)
MP3 (t1790)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero ?

[/ QUOTE ]

I only play 20/180's...but there a big RR usually means AK is in good shape. I usually just stick it in w/out much thought and w/o any FE. I guess i have folded on rare occasion, with 3000 chip starting stacks this is more interesting/troubling pre.
Calling sucks (reverse implied odds) and since you're OOP, u might get bluffed off the best hand when u miss and he c-bets AQs...

Shoving&gt;Folding&gt;Calling
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Old 09-01-2007, 06:55 AM
Pokerfarian Pokerfarian is offline
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Default Re: 4/180 AKo early facing PF 3bet

Not shoving here is a definite leak -- calling sucks and shoving is clearly better than folding
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