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Old 08-31-2007, 02:58 AM
bober2 bober2 is offline
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Default 25NL - 77 with preflop raise/re-raise; to call or not?

Would you call or fold and why?

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BB ($25.35)
UTG ($33.05)
MP ($35.70)
Button ($36.70)
Hero ($25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3</font>, Hero (??)
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Old 08-31-2007, 03:19 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - 77 with preflop raise/re-raise; to call or not?

I'd fold. First of all you need to make 11.7 times your pre-flop investment when you make a set in order to call for set value and I don't think you have that here, Plus UTG could reraise.
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Old 08-31-2007, 03:26 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - 77 with preflop raise/re-raise; to call or not?

Not sure how you came up with that figure of needing 11.7 times your pre-flop investment to call for set-value. Could you explain further or show the math?
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Old 08-31-2007, 03:27 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - 77 with preflop raise/re-raise; to call or not?

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Not sure how you came up with that figure of needing 11.7 times your pre-flop investment to call for set-value. Could you explain further or show the math?

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dbitel showed the math. I'll give a cursory look for that post, but it's late here so I don't think I'll find it.
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Old 08-31-2007, 04:12 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - 77 with preflop raise/re-raise; to call or not?

You're about 8-1 to hit your set. I generally use the 5/10 rule I think it's called. If it's less than 5% of yours and the villains stack call and if it's greater than 10% fold. In between use best judgment. Anyway, I fold here.
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Old 08-31-2007, 04:29 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - 77 with preflop raise/re-raise; to call or not?

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You're about 8-1 to hit your set. I generally use the 5/10 rule I think it's called. If it's less than 5% of yours and the villains stack call and if it's greater than 10% fold. In between use best judgment. Anyway, I fold here.

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5/10 rule is just a little off. I wish I had that dbitel thread to show you guys. Guess you just have to look for it....I've already read it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

If I can find it in the next couple of days I'll post it here. BTW there's also a good one about suited connectors:

Here;s the one about suited connectors anyway:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&amp;vc=1
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:16 AM
Ze_Gnome Ze_Gnome is offline
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Default Re: 25NL - 77 with preflop raise/re-raise; to call or not?

Opponent dependant. If the guy with the good stack is very nitty and his reraise is 100% AA-KK I call. Otherwise fold.
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:47 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - 77 with preflop raise/re-raise; to call or not?

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Opponent dependant. If the guy with the good stack is very nitty and his reraise is 100% AA-KK I call. Otherwise fold.

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Huh? They both have very similar stacks; $33 and $36. Meanwhile hero has $25.
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:47 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - 77 with preflop raise/re-raise; to call or not?

This is a fold. You don't have enough information to be playing 77 oop in a 3bet pot, and UTG raiser is still to act. Wait for a better spot.
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