$33+3 Top Pair+Draw Mid-Game

[Metnut]

Hand converter didn't work. What should I do here? No real reads, but I've seen UTG limp a few times before so I'm doubting that anyone is slowplaying AA or something like that preflop here. Is check folding here too weak? I feel like an idiot anytime i lose before the bubble without a clear decision or a beat. Bet pot, just push?

Full Tilt Poker Game #3401749248: $33 + $3 Sit & Go (Turbo) (26010856), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:10:41 ET - 2007/08/29
Seat 2: querty777 (3,580)
Seat 3: moneytakker12 (2,490)
Seat 5: Metnut (1,410)
Seat 6: charlotte509 (975)
Seat 7: prodigywat (2,615)
Seat 8: Heixi_20 (945)
Seat 9: Misclick (1,485)
moneytakker12 posts the small blind of 60
Metnut posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Metnut [Jd Tc]
charlotte509 calls 120
prodigywat has 15 seconds left to act
prodigywat folds
Heixi_20 folds
Misclick folds
querty777 calls 120
moneytakker12 calls 60
Metnut checks
*** FLOP *** [8h Jh 9s]
moneytakker12 checks
Metnut has 15 seconds left to act
Metnut ???

[Daddys_Visa]

I put out a pot-sized bet and call to a push. If you are not willing to get all your chips in on that flop, you should fold those hands preflop.

Even if you end up against a hand like AJ, you still have two cracks at 11 clean outs.

If you get called and a heart hits, I would c/f but it would be read-dependent.

[shakyamuni]

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I put out a pot-sized bet and call to a push. If you are not willing to get all your chips in on that flop, you should fold those hands preflop.

Even if you end up against a hand like AJ, you still have two cracks at 11 clean outs.

If you get called and a heart hits, I would c/f but it would be read-dependent.

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think you misread the hand - Hero checks in BB

any bet close to pot pretty much commits you to the hand, which isn't terrible since you have top pair and a decent draw. I see a few possible lines:

Bet out t400 and call a push - if called push a non heart turn
C/R all in

anybody want to comment on pro's / con's of either of those?

BTW the converters are not broken USE THIS LINK - you have to sign up the first time but it's free and after that you can stay logged in all the time...

edit: converter info

[Daddys_Visa]

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I put out a pot-sized bet and call to a push. If you are not willing to get all your chips in on that flop, you should fold those hands preflop.

Even if you end up against a hand like AJ, you still have two cracks at 11 clean outs.

If you get called and a heart hits, I would c/f but it would be read-dependent.

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think you misread the hand - Hero checks in BB

any bet close to pot pretty much commits you to the hand, which isn't terrible since you have top pair and a decent draw. I see a few possible lines:

Bet out t400 and call a push - if called push a non heart turn
C/R all in

anybody want to comment on pro's / con's of either of those?

BTW the converters are not broken USE THIS LINK - you have to sign up the first time but it's free and after that you can stay logged in all the time...

edit: converter info

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Ah ya...for some reason I thought he completed the SB. Nonetheless, I still pet pot and call a push. You either have the best hand or a good draw to the best hand most times. And you still have some fold equity. A pot sized bet, while pressuring the field, still leaves you enough chips to get away if you are flatcalled and a nightmare cards hits the turn.

And I like the c/r all-in too. I thought about that one, but decided against it because you might trap a big draw into going all-in with you if you check and let them commit part of their stack. I would not really want to race their A7h or whatever.

I like betting out and, if called, pushing a blank turn. I think that deals with the draws much better.

[shakyamuni]

Yeah I agree on the c/r all in
If you do get a bet and push you're giving him 2.5 to 1 depending on his bet... you won't really fold out alot that bets that board... + you might end up giving up a free card to 3 villains... all of that sounds bad

[Metnut]

Thanks guys, I ended up potting it, got called by UTG and then button pushed. Still call?

[Daddys_Visa]

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Thanks guys, I ended up potting it, got called by UTG and then button pushed. Still call?

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I still call. Button could have anything from an OESD to nut flush draw to 2-pair to a set to the nuts. I generally dont like to race for my stack, but the pot is so big I think you have to go all the way on this one. If you win this pot you are pretty much assured of making the money.

[Chipchucker5]

CRAI is way the best option IMO. Potting it gets called by better hands and folds out worse hands.