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Old 08-28-2007, 11:06 PM
MitchL MitchL is offline
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God I hate the 4 bet cap.
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Old 08-29-2007, 12:37 AM
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i folded jj in a similar spot. i was against tt, ajs, and ako and woulda flopped a set.

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rats. i knew this was a call.
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Old 08-29-2007, 12:41 AM
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i folded jj in a similar spot. i was against tt, ajs, and ako and woulda flopped a set.

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rats. i knew this was a call.

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then i proceeded to go on a 40k downer. clearly was the impetus.
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Old 08-29-2007, 01:30 AM
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i folded jj in a similar spot. i was against tt, ajs, and ako and woulda flopped a set.

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rats. i knew this was a call.

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then i proceeded to go on a 40k downer. clearly was the impetus.

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rats. i knew it was a fold.
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Old 08-29-2007, 02:56 AM
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"i folded jj in a similar spot. i was against tt, ajs, and ako and woulda flopped a set."

ah well there ya go then guess im wrong.
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:54 AM
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fold!
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Old 08-29-2007, 09:06 AM
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Some people whose posts I respect have said that this is an easy fold, but with 4 people already in I think you're correct to call here with any pocket pair. But if I don't flop a set I'm done with the hand. That's why I said earlier on that you'd play the JJ the same way you'd play 88 in this spot, or 22 for that matter.
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Old 08-29-2007, 09:36 AM
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Some people whose posts I respect have said that this is an easy fold, but with 4 people already in I think you're correct to call here with any pocket pair. But if I don't flop a set I'm done with the hand. That's why I said earlier on that you'd play the JJ the same way you'd play 88 in this spot, or 22 for that matter.

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I disagree. Your implied odds are nowhere near as good as usual, as the chance of running into set-over-set is far more likely than usual given this action. Any Q, K, or A could easily spell doom. As the pairs get smaller, this worry becomes even more pronounced. I still think this is a clear fold.
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Old 08-29-2007, 10:20 AM
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rats. i knew it was a fold

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nh, sir.

I think it's a fold but it's close given the lineup. You play better post flop than the line up and will be able to extract max.
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Old 08-29-2007, 01:48 PM
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i asked two experts about this spot and they disagree. what say you?


I am curious about how the two experts disagreed with one another. Did one say "fold immediately" while the other said "think about it for a minute, then show it to your neighbor, then fold" thereby enhancing your table image as a strong, tight player.

But since you don't want to be known as a strong, tight player, I am sure you folded immediately, watched a jack high rainbow flop and then went on tilt for 40k.
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