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Old 08-27-2007, 11:52 PM
cooker3 cooker3 is offline
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Default Is this spewy?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $21.25
hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $55.35
MP: $49.25
CO: $72.05
BTN: $65.50

Preflop: hero is dealt T A (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $2.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">hero raises to $6.50</font>, UTG folds, BTN calls $4.50

Flop: ($13.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 J (2 Players)
<font color="red">hero bets $7.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises all-in to $59.00</font>, hero calls all-in for $36.50

Pot Size: $116.25

Ok, I am showing what I did as that is my question, is this really spewy. I felt he could have a a smaller pocker pair a lot. He is 54/20 over 50 hands.
I did a poker stove and got this

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

36,630 games 0.002 secs 18,315,000 games/sec

Board: 2s 2c Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.661% 43.82% 00.84% 16053 306.50 { AcTc }
Hand 1: 55.339% 54.50% 00.84% 19964 306.50 { AdAh, AhAs, KhKs, TT-77, AKs, AcQc, AsQs, AJs, AJo }


Am I just a calling station?
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:02 AM
BevillTheDevil BevillTheDevil is offline
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Default Re: Is this spewy?

if you honestly think thats villian's range then good call...i think you only have to be good here like around 1/3ish to make this profitable. Id probably cbet more tho like 10ish.
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:05 AM
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if you honestly think thats villian's range then good call...i think you only have to be good here like around 1/3ish to make this profitable. Id probably cbet more tho like 10ish.

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In 3 bet pots I like to bet smaller as I can bet less and still comfortabley get it all in and also I do 3 bet light a good bit so helps me save money when I have to fold
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:00 AM
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Default Re: Is this spewy?

Total spew.

Cooker, you are kidding yourself with that range. Why do you include all TT-77 combos, but no QQ combos, only 1 KK combo, and keep 1 AA combo out?
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:06 AM
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Default Re: Is this spewy?

i agree with todd, even for a guy with poor numbers that range seems off. cbet 10 or 11 and i like it better.
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:21 AM
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Total spew.

Cooker, you are kidding yourself with that range. Why do you include all TT-77 combos, but no QQ combos, only 1 KK combo, and keep 1 AA combo out?

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Well, he called my 3 bet pf so in general people 4 bet AA, KK pretty much always but I do find some people flat call so I decided to include but with less combos which I feel is fairly realistic situation
As for queens, I think that most people would 4 bet me all the time as I have been so aggressive and it's hard to play on the flop when A or K hits.
Someone said to me I should include jacks which I agree with, that makes it 41/59 if you stove it.
As for why I include all combos TT-77, well I think thats reasonable, with just 1 overcard I think it would be reasonable for him assume that he is ahead of me .
Would he call a 3 bet with it? against me yeah I think someone would.
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:34 AM
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Default Re: Is this spewy?

In general coherent players will 4-bet, but who knows what the [censored] 50/20 retards are going to do.

For that reason, I think it is necessary to have all QQ-AA hands in range. (Not sure I agree that JJ should be put in here; I think that is the one hand that NEVER pushes this flop0 And yeah, you are definitely right that TT-77 call your 4-bet. But I think TT-77 are a WAAAAY less likely to take the above action that the combos of QQ-AA are.

I think you see AA here the plurality of the time with KK right behind it.
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:48 AM
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Yeah this is spewy. Somehow you got 100 BBs into the pot with a flush draw on a paired board at NL50.

There's no shame in folding preflop, even if the guy is 50/20. A lot of people might disagree with me, but your hand is very easily dominated and hard to play out of position. This is not the kind of spot where I'm looking to build a big pot.
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Old 08-28-2007, 03:22 AM
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In general coherent players will 4-bet, but who knows what the [censored] 50/20 retards are going to do.

For that reason, I think it is necessary to have all QQ-AA hands in range. (Not sure I agree that JJ should be put in here; I think that is the one hand that NEVER pushes this flop0 And yeah, you are definitely right that TT-77 call your 4-bet. But I think TT-77 are a WAAAAY less likely to take the above action that the combos of QQ-AA are.

I think you see AA here the plurality of the time with KK right behind it.

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Do you not think AA-QQ pushes a lot pf? That is the reason I give them less combos because I think the hand ends pf a lot. I am trying to weight it properly and as such. I am honestly trying not to weight it so it sort of justifies my play (least not consciously)

As for just folding pf, I do disagree with poster who says just fold pf. These guys will run you over if you fold ATs in position when they open raise. He will and has called 3 bets oop with far worse hands then ATs.

Edit, oops I am oop here of course but even so I feel I have to 3 bet me, folding AT to guy that is 50/20 and raising on the button is just asking to be run over and I feel I can outplay him
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Old 08-28-2007, 03:41 AM
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Default Re: Is this spewy?

based on his stats he's been active pf, but what about postflop. i think i'd rather just call pf, but if he's been splashing around post i think this is fine.
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