Non standard situation with TPTK...

[urbanati]

Villain is unknown at the moment.
Thoughts about 4-betting preflop? As played comments are welcome on both streets.
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $279.55
UTG+1: $184.00
urbanati: $405.10
Button: $46.55
SB: $346.20
BB: $197.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) urbanati is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">urbanati raises to $10</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $18</font>, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, urbanati calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($57, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, urbanati checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button is all-in $28.55</font>, UTG+1 calls, urbanati calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($142.65, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $142.65)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">urbanati bets $100</font>...

[Veron]

Preflop is fine, just as postflop.

[sixhigh]

I like 4betting preflop a lot. You have buttons range crushed and are flipping at worst against the other one's range. But as played it's fine postflop.

[Chaos_ult]

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I like 4betting preflop a lot. You have buttons range crushed and are flipping at worst against the other one's range. But as played it's fine postflop.

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How do you know this?

[dragonystic]

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I like 4betting preflop a lot. You have buttons range crushed

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Villain is unknown at the moment.

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am i missing something? 4betting AQ into an unknown has to be one of the worst ideas ive ever heard.

[Phoenix1010]

Because he's a shortstacker who just minraised. This is an obvious 4-bet.

[dragonystic]

i WAS missing something

shove preflop.

[eso]

4-bet to $30, let button push, then 6-bet all in.

[FishSticks]

Yah given button's stack this is a nice place to shove pre to iso shortie and get some dead money in there yada yada.

As played preflop - your postflop play looks fine. Maybe checking back the turn is okay, since there's not a ton of bad cards on the end for you and you might get squeeze a little more value out of Jx if turn checks through and river is a baby.

[kekec37]

Isnt the turn bet a little big for empty side pot?
No hand that you beat will call so large bet and you dont gain a lot if he folds. The way I see it is like you two are starting from scratch. I would bet 30-40 on turn as played.

Even better would be to minraise buttons all in on the flop (not sure if it is possible) to start a new side pot and get UTG+1 commited, if you feel like you have better hand than him.