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Old 08-26-2007, 08:05 PM
IronFly IronFly is offline
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Default questionable river decision - NL 100 cash

Villain is pretty passive and straightforward.

No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

BB: $257.45
Hero (SB): $283.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $6.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $18.00</font>, Hero calls $12.00

Flop: ($36) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $18.00</font>, Hero calls $18.00

Turn: ($72) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $48.00</font>, BB calls $48.00

River: ($168) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero ???</font>
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:42 PM
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Default Re: questionable river decision - NL 100 cash

I don't like this turn bet much. I'd put out a small bet and expect value from a jack.
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Old 08-26-2007, 09:56 PM
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Default Re: questionable river decision - NL 100 cash

I don't like the turn bet either. We got lotsa showdown value with the 9 - why waste it by betting the turn? He's gonna call/shove with better (or even ahkh sometimes) and never fold better, while he never calls with worse hands. Mayyybe TT folds, but I'm not sure about that. Had you checked the turn I would have liked a bet on the river. As played I don't think you can bet/fold which is a problem. I guess a bet of 80 or so could get looked up by most Jacks (would he just call a bet of 65 or so? would he push over the top sensing weakness?).
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:39 AM
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Default Re: questionable river decision - NL 100 cash

turn bet was obv for protection, so it's not horrible as long as you know why you're betting (not for value). that said, just check the turn.

bet 80 on the river and fold to a push. its very close between betting and checking though. pokerstoving his calling range you're about 56%, but that doesn't include random 6s, and it does include kk/aa and high hearts. if he's not calling w/ aj or kj then obv dont bet.
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:21 AM
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Default Re: questionable river decision - NL 100 cash

i push for value.

can't see him not being more aggressive with an overpair and his play on the turn is really terrible with a draw - that's why unless he's passive to the point of being bad, or views you as maniac aggressive, i think you're ahead.


also whoever said turn bet was to protect but not for value - wtf? that doesn't make any sense. why would you need to protect your hand if you're behind?
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:08 PM
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Default Re: questionable river decision - NL 100 cash

I fold preflop. If he's passive and straightforward you're very behind his range and not getting paid off a ton when you hit big.

I don't bet the turn there. I think you get more value by calling a river bet. You do have position so I don't hate it as you will get to check behind any problem river card or just fold.

I bet ~1/3 the pot on the river and plan to fold to an allin. I think betting any more and I'm pricing myself into an ugly call if he comes over the top. A passive and straightforward player is not going allin with a worse hand here almost at all though.

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Old 08-27-2007, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: questionable river decision - NL 100 cash

Yugo,
Nice comment about preflop. I wish I had folded.

All,
Good comments. I think turn is def checkable.

I bet 80 on the river, he went all-in and I folded.
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