Please B&M read this

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Like it or not, it IS a rule for information these days. You can't fight it, so don't let it bother you. You'll affect yourself negatively more than you'll affect anybody else positively.

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If you believe this, do you invoke IWTSTH whenever you are curious about what someone could have called with? I never let it get under my skin, but I do think that people should be heavily discouraged from abusing (i.e. using) this rule, or else it will start happening every hand.

[Diamond Lie]

Its definetly something that can put me on tilt when someone asks to see a complete bluff. I try to think of it as free advertising to induce calls in future pots

Theres not much you can do besides point it out to the floor, but there are limited results unless the person is blatantly abusing IWTSTH on several occasions. Even then, good luck trying to get something done.

I understand its because people are familiar with online HH's and how its readily available to all players. Maybe with time it will be less of a problem? How often does it occur if you play 3-4 sessions a week?

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Like it or not, it IS a rule for information these days. You can't fight it, so don't let it bother you. You'll affect yourself negatively more than you'll affect anybody else positively.

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If you believe this, do you invoke IWTSTH whenever you are curious about what someone could have called with? I never let it get under my skin, but I do think that people should be heavily discouraged from abusing (i.e. using) this rule, or else it will start happening every hand.

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No, I don't invoke it. I also show down my hand immediately, regardless of position, if I think I have a winner. My goal is to get in as many hands as possible (for me and for the dealer), so I don't do anything that needlessly slows down the game.

However, I do recognize that for pretty much everybody, IWTSTH translates to "I'm curious" and not "I think you're cheating". It makes no sense whatsoever to let it bother me in any way. I feel my play is varied enough that nobody is going to figure out anything. And they're not even trying to learn, they're just curious. If anything, it's advertising, and I'll adjust my play accordingly.

[MicroBob]

Newsflash - People who do this are not isolated to Florida.

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I've had a few people do this to me at Winstar, usually not too long after I sit down, which I've always found odd. I say "Let's not do that again" and then the entire table (who somehow have never been at a table when this has happened to me before) helpfully explain that the rules allow for this. The last time went something like this:

Dick: IWTSTH.
Me: Let's not do that.
<dealer shows while...>
Entire table: The rules blah blah blah...
Me: Still, let's not do that again.
Entire table: The rules blah blah blah.
Me: <hits pause on iPod, takes earbuds out> Attention entire table. I understand that the rules allow for this. LET'S. NOT. DO. THAT.

(The last line is EXACTLY what I said.) I don't care if it makes me a nit. A guy does that to me, he gets my warning. He does it to me again, I will see every one of his hands for the remainder of the session. Luckily, I've never had a guy do it a second time after I tell him not to do it.

[MicroBob]

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Me: <hits pause on iPod, takes earbuds out> Attention entire table. I understand that the rules allow for this. LET'S. NOT. DO. THAT.

(The last line is EXACTLY what I said.) I don't care if it makes me a nit. A guy does that to me, he gets my warning. He does it to me again, I will see every one of his hands for the remainder of the session. Luckily, I've never had a guy do it a second time after I tell him not to do it.

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I don't know if it necessarily makes you a nit.

But if you actually said "Attention Entire Table" as well as "LETS. NOT. DO. THAT" yet another time then it may make you even more of a dick then the guy who is using a rule who he rightly or wrongly believes he is perfectly entitled to use.

It would also appear that others aren't quite getting the general idea you trying to get across with the phrase "lets not do that" so I'm not sure why you would think that saying it over and over again would somehow make people understand.

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It would also appear that others aren't quite getting the general idea you trying to get across with the phrase "lets not do that" so I'm not sure why you would think that saying it over and over again would somehow make people understand.

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The same reason why people yell the same answer to a foreign speaking person over and over. Eventually if you say it loud enough and frequently they will magically understand. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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It would also appear that others aren't quite getting the general idea you trying to get across with the phrase "lets not do that" so I'm not sure why you would think that saying it over and over again would somehow make people understand.

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The same reason why people yell the same answer to a foreign speaking person over and over. Eventually if you say it loud enough and frequently they will magically understand. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Except we're all speaking English and I'm not exactly using an antiquated construction here.

And yeah, I'm a dick when I want to be.

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Like it or not, it IS a rule for information these days. You can't fight it, so don't let it bother you. You'll affect yourself negatively more than you'll affect anybody else positively.

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If you believe this, do you invoke IWTSTH whenever you are curious about what someone could have called with? I never let it get under my skin, but I do think that people should be heavily discouraged from abusing (i.e. using) this rule, or else it will start happening every hand.

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No, I don't invoke it. I also show down my hand immediately, regardless of position, if I think I have a winner. My goal is to get in as many hands as possible (for me and for the dealer), so I don't do anything that needlessly slows down the game.

However, I do recognize that for pretty much everybody, IWTSTH translates to "I'm curious" and not "I think you're cheating". It makes no sense whatsoever to let it bother me in any way. I feel my play is varied enough that nobody is going to figure out anything. And they're not even trying to learn, they're just curious. If anything, it's advertising, and I'll adjust my play accordingly.

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Yeah, just to be clear I never care when people use it on me - I'm perfectly happy to show my hand, win or lose. There are two reasons why IWTSTH bothers me: the first (and most important) is that it can embarrass a bad player. If some donk calls to the river with bottom pair no kicker and doesn't want to show it unless it's good, calling IWTSTH on this guy is just going to discourage him from doing that in the future.

The second reason is that it can slow down the game (as you mentioned above). This is especially true when some player *do* take great offense at having their hand revealed and so they start a pissy little fight that hurts the mood of the table, the speed of hands, and ultimately my profitability.

[bernie]

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Like it or not, it IS a rule for information these days. You can't fight it, so don't let it bother you. You'll affect yourself negatively more than you'll affect anybody else positively.

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If you believe this, do you invoke IWTSTH whenever you are curious about what someone could have called with? I never let it get under my skin, but I do think that people should be heavily discouraged from abusing (i.e. using) this rule, or else it will start happening every hand.

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No it won't. People have been doing it for years without being discouraged and it still doesn't really happen that often, much less happening every hand.

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If you believe this, do you invoke IWTSTH whenever you are curious about what someone could have called with?

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The information most people get when calling this is to see how their hand compared or just general curiousity. They aren't calling this planning on using the information against you. Most wouldn't know how to use it anyways.

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