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general spot
assume you're utg. what are your thoughts on this spot, in general? like what do you have, what would you call a river bet with, what would you bet river with, what would you call a c/r with, etc. (also my spot - what do i have)
Absolute Poker Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $5/$10 5 players Converter Pre-flop: (5 players) milesdyson is BB <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, 3 folds, milesdyson calls. Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.6SB, 2 players) milesdyson checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, milesdyson calls. Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3.3BB, 2 players) milesdyson checks, UTG checks. River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.3BB, 2 players) milesdyson checks... |
#2
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Re: general spot
QQ and TT-55. Against you I am not calling any of those if you bet. I might call QQ but I'd convince myself you wouldnt value bet a J so all I have is a bluff catcher.
EDIT: I would bet with QQ and check TT-55 Ax, x < T. With these I am obviously calling a bet. Edit: I would bet any Ax |
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Re: general spot
On the river I can have any ace and worse hands. I'm not paying off with worse than Ax since you won't valuebet a jack, and I don't think you'll bluff to fold a chop or QQ. You also probably won't bet Ax since I won't payoff worse hands.
I won't bet with Ax < Q since I don't think you'll payoff with a jack. The only hand I would consider valuebetting is AQ. I think there's a decent chance you're going for a check/raise with Kx or a flush since I think most TAGs would value bet a chopping Ax on autopilot. However Ax will still payoff so I'd valuebet AQ. If I bet AQ and got check/raised I would fold although it's exploitable, but I don't think you'll bother in a 4BB pot. |
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Re: general spot
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On the river I can have any ace and worse hands. I'm not paying off with worse than Ax since you won't valuebet a jack, and I don't think you'll bluff to fold a chop or QQ. You also probably won't bet Ax since I won't payoff worse hands. I won't bet with Ax < Q since I don't think you'll payoff with a jack. The only hand I would consider valuebetting is AQ. I think there's a decent chance you're going for a check/raise with Kx or a flush since I think most TAGs would value bet a chopping Ax on autopilot. However Ax will still payoff so I'd valuebet AQ. If I bet AQ and got check/raised I would fold although it's exploitable, but I don't think you'll bother in a 4BB pot. [/ QUOTE ] I would always bet again on the turn with AQ. Is this wrong? |
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Re: general spot
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[ QUOTE ] On the river I can have any ace and worse hands. I'm not paying off with worse than Ax since you won't valuebet a jack, and I don't think you'll bluff to fold a chop or QQ. You also probably won't bet Ax since I won't payoff worse hands. I won't bet with Ax < Q since I don't think you'll payoff with a jack. The only hand I would consider valuebetting is AQ. I think there's a decent chance you're going for a check/raise with Kx or a flush since I think most TAGs would value bet a chopping Ax on autopilot. However Ax will still payoff so I'd valuebet AQ. If I bet AQ and got check/raised I would fold although it's exploitable, but I don't think you'll bother in a 4BB pot. [/ QUOTE ] I would always bet again on the turn with AQ. Is this wrong? [/ QUOTE ] I would too actually. So I guess I'm checking behind everything on the river. |
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Re: general spot
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EDIT: I would bet with QQ and check TT-55 Ax, x < T. With these I am obviously calling a bet. Edit: I would bet any Ax [/ QUOTE ] Do you think Dyson is paying off with Jx? If you're checking behind worse pocket pairs all he can beat is T9s/98s/T8s/87s, depending on how low you go, which you might not even bet, so he shouldn't payoff with Jx. |
#7
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Re: general spot
"Edit: I would bet any Ax "
this is what i was hoping, but i think sharpie is right too. i think when he says "most TAGs would value bet a chopping Ax on autopilot" is what i thought when i tried to checkraise a flush on the river. |
#8
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Re: general spot
Just to make it clear: When I wrote Ax x < T I meant any kicker T and below. So I wouldnt have AQ if I checked the turn.
I think Miles is smart enough to know that when I check the turn I have a pp, Ax x < T and a J. Since Miles know that I know that he is quite capable of c/f'ing I think he will sometimes pay me of with a J. He definetely should call a river bet by me if he had a J. (This means I wont ever play you again Miles [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) All that said I think you should have bet the river with a frush because a lot of TAGs will be betting Ax on the turn so you have to discount those when turn gets checked through - depending on the player of course. EDIT: Disregard the last point. he wont pay you of anyway so river c/r is g00t. My bad. |
#9
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Re: general spot
I would have 66-TT, QQ, a suited connector with no diamonds
I'd bet the river with QQ. I don't think there is any value in betting TT or lower. I'd fold it to a c.r. I'd call a river bet with QQ and fold my other hands. I'd bluff the connectors sometimes if I think you suck at hand reading if you're tricky you can have Ax Kx Jx flush |
#10
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Re: general spot
you guys are checking an ace behind on the turn? I would b/f there to charge flush draws, and not give a free card to a straight draw or Jx
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