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Old 08-23-2007, 03:45 PM
tennisjump tennisjump is offline
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Default Too aggressive line with QQ? NL25

Villian is 30/10 after around 30 hands

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $23.75
Hero (BB): $37.40
UTG: $25.05
MP: $23.90
CO: $30.40
BTN: $24.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $0.85</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.55) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $2.55</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $2.55

Turn: ($7.65) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $4.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $21.15</font>
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Old 08-23-2007, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: Too aggressive line with QQ? NL25

You have got to 3 bet this from the bb (and any other position for that matter). I'd 3 bet to about $3.5 or $4. Then the hand plays much differently, and easier.
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Old 08-23-2007, 04:07 PM
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Default Re: Too aggressive line with QQ? NL25

If i 3 bet, am i folding to a 4 bet? I guess i was thinking his raise indicated a strong hand at the top of the range
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Old 08-23-2007, 04:24 PM
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Default Re: Too aggressive line with QQ? NL25

Not aggressive enough as you dont raise till turn! I dont see why call preflop, call flop then raise turn? Are you trying to trap him? Tricky plays are pretty -EV at these stakes. raise raise raaaaaaaise preflop.
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Old 08-23-2007, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: Too aggressive line with QQ? NL25

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If i 3 bet, am i folding to a 4 bet? I guess i was thinking his raise indicated a strong hand at the top of the range

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Why did you skew his range towards the upper end? You say he is 30/10 but only after 30 hands, so I hope you are not making any assumptions based off of the stats at this point. Also, you realize that you are only behind AA and KK right?
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Old 08-23-2007, 04:46 PM
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Default Re: Too aggressive line with QQ? NL25

Your line is way too weak. You must 3bet pre-flop to either attempt to take the pot down or at least get heads up. If he pushes your 3bet, I call at this level. I would also lead out pot at this flop.

As played I would raise the flop to at least see what I am at. If raised, you are most likely behind. If called, re-eval the turn.

Your turn bet is also too much imo. You can accomplish the same thing with a pot sized about in the 12-13 range. I realize you are committing yourself to the pot at this point, but most of the time he is only going to call your all in if you are beat.
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Old 08-23-2007, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: Too aggressive line with QQ? NL25

where's the aggression?

rr pf/bet flop. take it from there.

given the way we got there, i guess this is fine. but previous streets were played so strange its hard to offer any great advice.
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Old 08-23-2007, 04:53 PM
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Default Re: Too aggressive line with QQ? NL25

Thanks for the advice, he ended up calling and showing KK, but I think I need to cut down on trap plays and play abc a little more.
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:11 AM
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Default Re: Too aggressive line with QQ? NL25

don't like it. i don't think you have to 3bet preflop, but your line is inconsistent. if you're going to shove turn, i think you should be 3betting pre or at least check-raising the very drawy flop.

here are some lines i prefer:

-3betting preflop (folding to a 4bet)
-calling preflop, then donking the flop (folding to a raise from mp, getting all in against sb)
-check-calling flop and check-calling turn (probably folding to a river shove)
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