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Old 08-22-2007, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: Slow play AApf and now ? the hard part

shoveeeeeeeeee
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Old 08-22-2007, 12:27 PM
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Default Re: Slow play AApf and now ? the hard part

Shove flop.

You definitely get looked up by Qx, KK and AhKh here, sometimes worse depending on villain. If you have the right image he may even call with JJ, TT, etc. since a push looks so much like a draw.

Calling flop isn't as good because most players are only firing a second barrel with hands they would be stacking off with on the flop anyways (plus any hand that improved on the turn). There aren't too many cards that will make villain a second best hand on the turn which he'll be willing to stack off with, but there are lots that could either a) make him the best hand, or b) make him fold a hand that he otherwise would have stacked off with on the flop.

Besides, the pot is big now and villain folding is not a bad result.
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Old 08-22-2007, 12:31 PM
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Old 08-22-2007, 12:55 PM
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Besides, the pot is big now and villain folding is not a bad result.


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This not good thinking. Having villian fold in this spot is a terrible result.
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Old 08-22-2007, 01:15 PM
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Besides, the pot is big now and villain folding is not a bad result.


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This not good thinking. Having villian fold in this spot is a terrible result.

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How so?

There are very few hands that we beat which are going to put more money in the pot on the turn but fold to a flop shove.

OTOH, there are many which are only putting in more money if they out draw us on the turn. Folding out these hands instead of letting them see a free turn is a very good result.
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Old 08-22-2007, 01:33 PM
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shoving is fine

calling is fine too if hes really aggro
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