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Old 08-20-2007, 09:15 PM
chris216 chris216 is offline
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Default NL100 QQ gets raised on flop by nit

Villain is 16/12/2.9 over 490 hands. No other reads. Is it better to reraise him on the flop? I called with the intention of getting it in on the turn unless the turn was an ace or completed the flush.

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BB ($90.05)
UTG ($110.25)
Hero ($230.40)
CO ($106.50)
Button ($114.45)
SB ($89)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($13) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $26</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $18.

Turn: ($65) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $38</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $84</font>, CO calls $38.50 (All-In).

River: ($218) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $218
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Old 08-20-2007, 09:19 PM
AaronOC AaronOC is offline
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Default Re: NL100 QQ gets raised on flop by nit

well played, sometimes he shows up here with a set or an overpair but i play it the same as you
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Old 08-20-2007, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ gets raised on flop by nit

nh I think I play it the same way
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Old 08-20-2007, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ gets raised on flop by nit

Against this opponent if you're gonna felt it do it on the flop, but after checking the turn this is a fold. 16/12's usually bet the turn without a set and without a history betweeen the two of you.
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Old 08-21-2007, 02:49 AM
krumeluren krumeluren is offline
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Default Re: NL100 QQ gets raised on flop by nit

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but after checking the turn this is a fold.

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Hero CR turn.

I often play the same, but usually not against nits. They too often have a set here.
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Old 08-21-2007, 02:56 AM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ gets raised on flop by nit

ill probably get flamed for saying this but i fold to the flop raise. i dont think he does this light multiway very often and he will show up with a set most times given pf. when he bets the blank turn youre not ahead often either as hes taking a free one often with a draw. on the flop youre just praying that he has AQs or something.
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Old 08-21-2007, 03:11 AM
yabastid yabastid is offline
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Default Re: NL100 QQ gets raised on flop by nit

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Against this opponent if you're gonna felt it do it on the flop, but after checking the turn this is a fold. 16/12's usually bet the turn without a set and without a history betweeen the two of you.

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I meant to say "16/12's usually don't bet the turn without a set . . ."
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:13 AM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ gets raised on flop by nit

Don't pay off nits. Without some extra read on him you're seeing a set here way too often for this to be profitable.
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:28 AM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ gets raised on flop by nit

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Don't pay off nits.

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He calls on CO.. TT+ would have reraised i guess. You are only beating a spade draw here on the flop but I don't think that - given his AF and his 4% calling range - he has it here often enough for you play to be profitable. A set always calls your shove, just a draw will not get it in as often as this. So I would say this was a -ev play.

Since I am oop I decide on the flop if i fold or shove. Here - against this opponent - I would fold after some consideration.
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:08 AM
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Default Re: NL100 QQ gets raised on flop by nit

in a multiway pot nits almost ALWAYS show up with 2pr/set when they raise the PFRer, and on the rare occasion where he does have a spade draw its always a combo draw (9sXs, As3s, 3s5s etc) and your equity isnt that great vs his range.

i generally dont try to stack-donk a nit becauuse they love to check behind the turn with their draws and marginal hands
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