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Old 08-19-2007, 07:43 AM
KrachBummEnte KrachBummEnte is offline
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Default Stuck on a limit I can beat

Hi guys,

I'm stuck for a big # of hands at 200nl. I played a long time with some bigger leaks. I fixed them, had a lot of coachings, watched a ton of videos, gave comments to thousands (no [censored], thousands) of hands and really improved my game. My coaches are playing 1000Nl and above and they told me I could easily beat 200Nl.

One week ago I cashed in about 2k at party since I went away from party after a big downswing. After the downswing I improved my game and came back prepared. I won like $2400 in about one week. I ran a bit hot but not as much as you usually do in a real upswing. However, today I lost most of the winnings. I had flush over flush setups and all that stuff, you know what I mean. I'm not gonna rant about single hands, it's the complete thing. It's always the same. One weekgoes good, then, BOOM, in 2 days everything I had won is gone. It's always the same. I start losing 2 or 3 buy ins, make my way up to even and then suddenly I'm stuck 8-10 buy ins. I start to tilt at the end of those sessions but I quit pretty quick then, so it's not tilt only.

Would it make sense to stop when I'm stuck like 4 buy ins or is this nonsense since it doesn't matter for the next hands and the rest of the session?
I know its bs but it seems like PP has those doomswitch days where NOTHING works. Really, I flop a flush in reraised pots and he instafolds, everytime I c/r him with nothing he calls or raises.

I really don't know what to do. Everytime the same. up, up ,up, DOWN -> even. I really really can beat 200nl especially on partypoker and a lot of really good players watched my game and said the same.

Where's my problem? T_T
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Old 08-19-2007, 01:02 PM
foal foal is offline
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Default Re: Stuck on a limit I can beat

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One weekgoes good, then, BOOM, in 2 days everything I had won is gone. It's always the same.

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If it's always the same, then you are not a winning player. Make up your mind. My guess would be you have some tilt leaks. Stop playing whenever you start feeling frustrated or depressed, or whenever you catch yourself making a bad play and you think it's tilt-related.
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Old 08-19-2007, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: Stuck on a limit I can beat

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Would it make sense to stop when I'm stuck like 4 buy ins or is this nonsense since it doesn't matter for the next hands and the rest of the session?

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It`s maybe nonsense to stop when you are winning and you play your A game on a good table but it`s not nonsense to stop when you are stuck at all.

The reasons for losing can be many.
Some of the time it`s because of bad beats and if that doesn`t put you on tilt then I can`t see a good reason to stop but...in my experience the reason for the most of my losing sessions has been the table setup.
LAGs on the left, TAGs on the right, no fish at all, tough game or just one of those days when nothing seem to work etc etc... basically many factors that might decrease any edge you usually have.

I play mostly live so when I lose few buy-ins and I don`t like my table setup I just quit for the night because there is only 1 NL table in the casino where I play regularly ( West-Europe ).

But online ? At least what you can do is find a better table.
Game/Table selection is one of the most important things to winning players and it`s so easy to do it online.

My quiting rules has always been:
- If I don`t play my A-game
- If I`m losing but can`t really pinpoint the reason because there might be more then one.

I really think that statements like "Think of Poker as one long session" and similar are correct but they are misunderstood by many.

You have an obvious leak in your game and I don`t understand how your poker coaches have missed it.
You need to learn to minimize your loses when they happen because it looks like one losing session is as big as all of your winning sessions for the week and it`s what makes you a break-even player instead of a winner.

I hope that made some sense, most of my posts need some rereading or reading between the lines to figure out what the hell I`m trying to say. [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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Old 08-19-2007, 10:26 PM
aaokwitme aaokwitme is offline
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Default Re: Stuck on a limit I can beat

This seems like a tilt issue possibly stemming from poor bank role management. I sudjest checking your role and or stopping your play as soon as you feel as though your down more money than you are comfortable being down.
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Old 08-20-2007, 11:04 AM
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Default Re: Stuck on a limit I can beat

Try 100nl
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Old 08-20-2007, 04:16 PM
KrachBummEnte KrachBummEnte is offline
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Default Re: Stuck on a limit I can beat

I'm taking bankrollmanagement serious and move down whenever I have to. But what I also do is checking my bankroll like a maniac while playing, every 30 seconds I take a look. Sometimes it's motivating, sometimes it's really frustrating.

I take a few days off poker now and then I'll try not to look at my bankroll while playing and stop whenever I feel I don't play my A game or when I'm 4 buy ins down. I hope I can minimize my losses that way...

Someone said I can't beat 200nl, that's just not true. I beat it 6 out of 7 days a week and one day is the doomswitch day. Probably it's myself doomswitching by starting to tilt and spew money around.
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Old 08-20-2007, 04:55 PM
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Default Re: Stuck on a limit I can beat

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Someone said I can't beat 200nl, that's just not true. I beat it 6 out of 7 days a week and one day is the doomswitch day. Probably it's myself doomswitching by starting to tilt and spew money around.

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Then you can't beat it.

That's like just deleting your losing sessions from PT and saying, wow look how much I am beating it by.
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Old 08-21-2007, 01:12 AM
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Probably it's myself doomswitching by starting to tilt and spew money around.

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Review your hand histories after you play. Then you wont have to speculate.
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