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Old 08-18-2007, 06:02 PM
jwalk jwalk is offline
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Default Raise for value on the river or get to show down cheaply?

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, SB folds.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB
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Old 08-18-2007, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: Raise for value on the river or get to show down cheaply?

Interesting hand.

By the way you should try to provide some kind of reads, but I also know that a lot of players are very loose at this level.

I like your flop bet.

When MP raises your turn bet, it looks like he has made a flush.

A check raise on the river may have been better than leading out. I very much doubt that MP has a 6.

Anyway, I think that you played this hand ok, but I would probably have 3-bet the river.

LOL, just noticed your title for this thread. (Sorry, bit drunk) I 3 bet the river.
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:44 PM
Xhad Xhad is offline
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Default Re: Raise for value on the river or get to show down cheaply?

Hand is fine. Call river without a read that your opponent is dumb enough not to know what a full house is.
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:52 PM
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Default Re: Raise for value on the river or get to show down cheaply?

I just bet/call the river. Also, I'm guessing Button is allin PF?
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Old 08-19-2007, 12:59 AM
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Default Re: Raise for value on the river or get to show down cheaply?

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Hand is fine. Call river without a read that your opponent is dumb enough not to know what a full house is.

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I'm very tempted to 3-bet this river.

edited to add: we have really not given villain information that we flopped trips--for all he knows we could have like A5,66-JJ... (not like he is really reading anything other than his hand.) i.e. this is like never a 6. I would be less surprised to see the case 4.
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Old 08-19-2007, 03:08 AM
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Default Re: Raise for value on the river or get to show down cheaply?

I can't remember the last time I saw someone raise anything other than a boat or a bluff on a double paired board. It's right up there with 4straight and 4flush boards in terms of keeping people from overplaying their hands.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:23 AM
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Default Re: Raise for value on the river or get to show down cheaply?

What happened to BTN? Anyway I like the flop lead, I like turn. River is read dependent. If villain is a rational human beeing, call the raise. If he is an 'I have a flush and I'm gonna cap no matter what'- type of player u have my blessing to 3-bet.
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Old 08-19-2007, 08:34 AM
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Default Re: Raise for value on the river or get to show down cheaply?

Well, I just started trying this online poker as Im a regular small/medium stakes limit player live, so Im still not 100% sure about what is normally used from pokertracker data for a read. However the villain in this hand has stats as follows over 52hands

Vol put in pot = 88.46%
Vol from sb = 100%
saw flop 51 of 52 times
preflop raise = 0%
won $ at showdown.
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