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Old 08-18-2007, 11:26 AM
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Default Re: NL100: 3betting light - flopping flushdraw & TP

I know it goes against 2+2 conventional wisdom, but I have no problem with flat calling a PFR with AJs/AQ and playing poker afterwards.

Small Hands >>> Small Pots (and AJs is a small hand on most flops).
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Old 08-18-2007, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: NL100: 3betting light - flopping flushdraw & TP

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Yes, some Villains will call 3bets with A-rag and stack off on any A high flop. However, I stand by my statement that if the flop comes A83 in a 3bet pot and your opponent is willing to stack off, AJs is almost always behind.

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You've never had someone unable to fold their TT/99 to you on a Jxx flop or fold their TT-KK on an Axx flop? There is absolutley no way we are almost always behind when we get money in with TPTK. Also, often all the money won't go in anyway, we get 1 or 2 streets of value from lesser hands. Immediately thinking KK folds to one bet on Axx is very misguided.
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Old 08-18-2007, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: NL100: 3betting light - flopping flushdraw & TP

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I know it goes against 2+2 conventional wisdom, but I have no problem with flat calling a PFR with AJs/AQ and playing poker afterwards.

Small Hands >>> Small Pots (and AJs is a small hand on most flops).

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Agree, but there are definitely times where raising >>> calling.
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Old 08-18-2007, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: NL100: 3betting light - flopping flushdraw & TP

If it's a 3bet pot and the Flopc comes Jxx, AJ is getting one street of value from TT/99 and getting owned by JJ+. Same with an Axx flop; one street of value from hands we beat, owned by hands that beat us.

3bet post are much, much more likely to end up allin than pots with only one PFR, and AJs just doesn't hit very many Flops for me to get excited about going allin.
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Old 08-18-2007, 12:37 PM
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Default Re: NL100: 3betting light - flopping flushdraw & TP

And 76s has soo many more flops where we want to get allin? Also when I was at 100NL I would stack TT/99 on Jxx most of the time, players there are total stations.
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Old 08-18-2007, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: NL100: 3betting light - flopping flushdraw & TP

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And 76s has soo many more flops where we want to get allin?

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About as many as AJ. We are gonna hit Trips/2 Pair just as often as with AJ, but getting paid off will be so much easier.
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Old 08-18-2007, 01:11 PM
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Default Re: NL100: 3betting light - flopping flushdraw & TP

I think you're right on here BigPoppa. If you 3bet with a hand like AJ, get called and your opponent is then willing to get it allin on an ace high flop you're essentially left hoping your opponent is terrible. Of course this makes it player dependent, but if people stack off against unknowns in spots like this i can't imagine it being profitable.

WRT the hand i make it $14 preflop, postflop seems standard.
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Old 08-18-2007, 01:48 PM
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Default Re: NL100: 3betting light - flopping flushdraw & TP

we have position, we don't need to get AJ all in when we hit TP because we can control the pot.

AJ will also win more medium sized pots than 67s. and when we're 3-betting 67s we're mainly doing it for the EV of taking down the pot immediately. if we're playing for flush/straight value we're better off calling.
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