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#1
08-18-2007, 06:40 AM
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KJs
No reads on villlains
PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB folds, BB folds. I think it's a clear bet with TP. Turn: (4.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls. After CO's raise I thought that I was beat but decided to call down because of the relatively big pot and the chance to improve or to have the best hand. River: (10.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls. Final Pot: 13.50 BB Did I play this right? 
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#3
08-18-2007, 07:28 AM
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Re: KJs
This looks fine to me. Folding anywhere would be very bad.
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#4
08-18-2007, 07:31 AM
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Re: KJs
PF: Id raise KJs pre-flop, especially 8-handed.
Flop: ok Turn: [ QUOTE ] After CO's raise I thought that I was beat but decided to call down because of the relatively big pot and the chance to improve or to have the best hand. [/ QUOTE ] What range of hands do you put CO on here? I don't think we have the odds to call. River: After Hero's crying turn call, CO shows strength again. Believe him and fold.
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#5
08-18-2007, 07:49 AM
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Re: KJs
CO could have QJ, 2 pair or pair with fd if he play suited cards or he could have a set or maybe even a oesd +fd if he played T9s. There are some hands we are in front of, some hands we have outs against and some hands we are drawing dead against.
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#6
08-18-2007, 08:11 AM
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Re: KJs
[ QUOTE ]
CO could have QJ, 2 pair or pair with fd if he play suited cards or he could have a set or maybe even a oesd +fd if he played T9s. There are some hands we are in front of, some hands we have outs against and some hands we are drawing dead against. [/ QUOTE ] Based on your estimates you put villain on 88 - 6 combos 33 - 6 combos A8 sp - 1 combo T9 s/o - 16 combos (4 suited + 12 unsuited) KQ sp - 1 combo AQ sp - 1 combo QJ - 8 combos J8 - 9 combos J3 - 9 combos You are ahead of 25 combos, drawing against 3 outs against 18 and dead against 12. So based on that range you're ok to call the turn. (even though I might disagree on this hand range) But since you know also loose against all T9 combos on the river I think its a safe fold
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#7
08-18-2007, 08:42 AM
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Re: KJs
villain doesn't usually play T9 this way, he would raise the flop for a free card often, which is also the best play for him...
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#8
08-18-2007, 10:04 AM
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Re: KJs
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villain doesn't usually play T9 this way, he would raise the flop for a free card often, which is also the best play for him... [/ QUOTE ] IF villain is holding T9 raising the flop would be a bad play. Better to call and hope that SB and BB overcalls
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#9
08-18-2007, 10:11 AM
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Re: KJs
[ QUOTE ]
Based on your estimates you put villain on 88 - 6 combos 33 - 6 combos A8 sp - 1 combo T9 s/o - 16 combos (4 suited + 12 unsuited) KQ sp - 1 combo AQ sp - 1 combo QJ - 8 combos J8 - 9 combos J3 - 9 combos [/ QUOTE ] This range is absolutely ridiculous. Where is JT etc? Where is AK? I'm almost serious about that. U can't assume all villains play logically every time, especially not when the pot is big. We have TPGK on a realtively safe board. Don't fold!
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#10
08-18-2007, 10:15 AM
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Re: KJs
i don't think it's best to go for overcalls with T9 for 3 reasons:
1) if only one of the villains who checked calls the raise it's more profit than both overcalling 2) if the leading bettor only holds the 8 you increase your winning chances by knocking people out 3) the free card is also worth more in case only 1 of them overcalls -> i'd like the raise with T9 in this spot... btw. another argument why villain likely doesn't hold T9: he would not raise the turn... EDIT: ...unless he has exactly Ts9s
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