50nl:I raise PF, then, I C/R the flop!

[effang]

i like it. i agree, strange stack sizes. b/3b never works here because if he raises he isn't folding. and if he calls our turn play sucks. if he can fold, then this is good.

some how i doubt a 28/20 guy with only 30 stack is going to fold though.

[Renton]

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i like it. i agree, strange stack sizes. b/3b never works here because if he raises he isn't folding. and if he calls our turn play sucks.

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No, b3b is the best play because we're committed to 14 outs on the flop vs a halfstack. The bet is plus ev, and the 3bet is plus ev for value.

And no, if he calls, we can make an easy commit/call on teh turn since we have fold equity.

[crazymoose]

Against a laggy dude I like this. He'll bet a lot more hands than he'll call with and your hand has very solid equity against his presumably huge range.

[effang]

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i like it. i agree, strange stack sizes. b/3b never works here because if he raises he isn't folding. and if he calls our turn play sucks.

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No, b3b is the best play because we're committed to 14 outs on the flop vs a halfstack. The bet is plus ev, and the 3bet is plus ev for value.

And no, if he calls, we can make an easy commit/call on teh turn since we have fold equity.

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where do you get 14 outs? 4 9's and 4 A's, am i missing something here? you don't really consider you Queen's outs do you? Maybe king's, queens i doubt.

if you b/3b here and he calls, he has 2p here pretty often right?

[Renton]

vs a 28/20 spewy lag, im pretty sure you can count around 75% of your overs as outs.

so, 12 outs then [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[crunny]

Renton, im still trying to get my head around why you think b3b is better than c/r (i'm a bit slow this morning).

The way i see it if we b3b our initial bet has FE but the 3b has very little FE, therefore, both b3b and c/r have the same FE (i assume that villain will bet almost always when checked to), however when we c/r we get an extra bet from villain. Does this make sense?

[Renton]

who cares about fe here

[Renton]

and btw, i only say b3b because we're committed once we bet

i usually expect him to fold or just call