$12 another AK push/fold hand, this time early

sixfour · #1 08-17-2007, 09:18 AM

Readless. Is stacking off really bad here?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t20/t40
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2115
UTG+1: t60
MP1: t1410
MP2: t1500
Hero: t1485
CO: t1650
Button: t1455
SB: t2895
BB: t930

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to t80, UTG+1 calls all-in t60, 2 folds, Hero calls t80 (pot was t200), CO calls t80 (pot was t280), Button raises to t500, SB folds, BB calls t460 (pot was t860), UTG folds, Hero?

RexWoo · #2 08-17-2007, 09:32 AM

The problem is that you will have at least two calls from button and BB. I don't like it.

stevi3p · #3 08-17-2007, 09:37 AM

fold. not worth the risk.

Jimmy James · #4 08-17-2007, 10:01 AM

fold, easily. ak just two unpaired cards...not worth it this early and u barely have anything invested in the pot. outplay them later.

Finnisher · #5 08-17-2007, 10:18 AM

I'm assuming that button and bb both go all in and CO folds and UTG+1's range is close to ATC. Main pot is t380, side pot 1 (b,bb,hero) is t2650 and side pot 2 (b&hero) is t1050. I think button's range is pretty wide so AKo is at least 50% in side pot 2. BB's range is tough but I don't think he can fold JJ or AQo and you'd have a bit under 30% equity. With those calling gives about 14% of the prize pool. Folding is less than 11%. I'm pretty sure I've made a mistake [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

e: You'll tie fairly often and that brings EVcall down but I don't know how much

RexWoo · #6 08-17-2007, 10:31 AM

I struggle a lot with 3 way pots.

Tx for your thoughts Finisher. So this is a call, right ?

Finnisher · #7 08-17-2007, 01:32 PM

Seems so but I'm not sure. The ranges I used are pretty loose.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #8 08-17-2007, 01:43 PM

grunch:

you're going to have better spots later on, so folding is probably best.

However, the original bettor has folded. One guy keeps cold calling and I suspect your ahead of his Aq- and worst case racing against a smaller pocket pair. The raiser is your main concern. He likely has a big pocket pair. I doubt he has AA b/c he raised more than the pot. QQ or less you're priced in to shove. If he has KK you're in trouble.

So I don't think shoving is terrible either. But your choice is either fold or shove. Don't call off 1/3 of your stack here to end up missing the flop 1/3 of the time.

If I was playing well, I think folding is the best option this early in a tourney b/c you will have better spots later on if you're a good player.