$27 88 limp in 25/50

[Sober]

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There's nothing wrong with committing a big portion of your stack when you have an edge. I agree with the raising to 200-250. But what I don't understand, is how calling to make it a 4-way pot is better than raising to make it heads up.

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There's a huge problem with it when your edge is very minimal, and the chips in the pot aren't worth much. Ok, so you bet 250. You're called and overcards hit, which they will 50% of the time. Throw in a cbet (~300 is proper if headsup), and now you've invested a little over 1/3rd your stack, and you have to let it go when raised or if pf caller donkbets into you.

Limping 22-JJ is completely standard up to 25/50, unless it's open on the button, where I'll standard raise knowing that if I'm called, a cbet doesn't commit me and will work 2/3 the time.

You limp to play for set value. You also don't care if it's 4-handed, because there's a great chance that when you do hit your set, at least one of the other players has a hand they like enough to give you their stack.

[splitzonthur]

Do you limp 99 in this spot?

[Kevin8423]

Limping 88 here is pretty standard with another limper already in the pot, you are playing for set value, not to get heads up and create a large pot.

Against most players UTG probably won't have a J because people love to slowplay. I would either fold (I'm thinking this is best) or call the flop and shove over his turn bet. If you raise the flop and one of the blinds comes over top you are in big trouble, so by calling you can have them both fold without committing more of your chips until you are HU with UTG.


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Limping 22-JJ is completely standard up to 25/50, unless it's open on the button, where I'll standard raise knowing that if I'm called, a cbet doesn't commit me and will work 2/3 the time.

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And limping JJ and even TT instead of making a standard raise is missing out on a lot of value.

[Master_Shake]

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There's nothing wrong with committing a big portion of your stack when you have an edge. I agree with the raising to 200-250. But what I don't understand, is how calling to make it a 4-way pot is better than raising to make it heads up.

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Im new to sit n goes but from my understanding: the chips that you stand to win from taking a risk (raising mid-low PP's)with low blind levels are worth less than the chips you save. please correct me if im wrong.

[beserious]

Yeah I know limping 88 here is "standard," but I'm still a little skeptical ... I think it's -EV unless the other players in the pot are really bad and you're pretty sure they'll pay you off when u hit a set.

[Kevin8423]

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Yeah I know limping 88 here is "standard," but I'm still a little skeptical ... I think it's -EV unless the other players in the pot are really bad and you're pretty sure they'll pay you off when u hit a set.

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Thats exactly right, and generally the other players ARE really bad and will pay you off when you hit your set.

[Sir Eats A Lot]

i don't think a push on the flop here can be too bad... he almost never has a jack, and very rarely has 99 or 1010

[Kevin8423]

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i don't think a push on the flop here can be too bad... he almost never has a jack, and very rarely has 99 or 1010

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Calling the flop and pushing the turn>>>Pushing the flop. By only calling you allow the two blinds who checked to either fold or raise with their J, if you just shove then they stack you every time they have one.

[geo8o2]

i limp JJ here sometimes. nothing wrong with limping 88.

as for the flop, call or fold. don't raise. he fires 2 barrels here lightly imo. so u'll know where ur at on the turn.

[RexWoo]

I like preflop from CO with a limper in front.

On the flop I probably call and see the turn.