flopped strong draw multi-way pot OOP deep

[jackflashdrive]

2/4 NL. I don't have the HH in front of me, so this is just from memory

effective stacks between me and cutoff: $800
UTG+1 is short at $85.

I am in BB with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

UTG folds, UTG+1 limps, CO (21/15/4) raises to 16, button folds, SB calls, I call, UTG+1 calls.

Flop

5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks, I lead for $40, UTG+1 raises allin for $85, CO calls $85, SB folds, I?

Edit: I can reraise or call and my question is which of these is best, and also any comments on my flop lead.

[tozzy]

are you even allowed to raise? i dont have a [censored] clue why, but at times when a shorty is allin and someone overcalls, i cannot put in more money on the given street.
anyways, id flatcall.

[ipokeder]

... it has to do with the size of the raise. if the size of the raise is less than a minraise then you are not allowed to reopen the betting when it comes back to you unless some larger stack behind reopens betting by raising the shortie's bet

that being said i think calling is about a billion times better than raising.

[jackflashdrive]

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... it has to do with the size of the raise. if the size of the raise is less than a minraise then you are not allowed to reopen the betting when it comes back to you unless some larger stack behind reopens betting by raising the shortie's bet

that being said i think calling is about a billion times better than raising.

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Don't you think we can blow CO off his hand a lot here?

[ipokeder]

edit: shiiiiiiit misread hand

yes raise is fine

[jpsnow]

Calling seems like the obvious choice here. Even if we are sure CO will fold to our reraise here we dont want this. We obv want him in the hand for implied odds reasons.

[jpsnow]

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edit: shiiiiiiit misread hand

yes raise is fine

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What does getting him off of his hand do for us? We that sure we are good vs shorty? I think this accomplishes nothing with a draw. It does help that we have a pair though.

[jpsnow]

Nvmd, shorty can probably be doing this with a lot. It looks like CO has some sort of mediocre overpair like JJs or something. If we can push him off of that it may not be bad if we think shorty will have weaker than a pair of 7s sometimes.

[ipokeder]

because we have no implied odds against him, reraising here reps MAD strength and gets him to fold any overpair ez, and can possibly make him fold 56/67

but calling is fine too if you're a pussy. i mean, it's not going to lose you money so w/e

[jpsnow]

your right we probably dont have any implied odds vs him here since its so obvious if we hit and we def rep tons of strength. Reraising is probably a lot more +EV than calling