River decision oop vs donks

[Seether]

WSEX 10/20 4 handed game
Bad laggy player opens, other bad laggy player cold calls, sb folds, I call in the bb with Q9o.

Flop Jd Ts 2s

I check, opener bets, button raises, I cold call? Opener calls.

Turn Ah

check, check, check

River Qc $120ish in pot

I check, opener checks, button bets, I?

[yourface]

flop cc is fine. it is very likely that someone has a pair and isn't going anywhere, and a 3bet doesn't clean up any of your Q outs

river is a fold imo we aren't ahead often enough

[Seether]

Yeah I felt it was a fold, I folded and pfr folded. Button shows 5d3d

[Redeye]

I dunno, I already saw the results, but I was still thinking that this might be worth a call. IF these guys are really laggy, the guy who checks for sure has nothing, the other guy doesn't have an ace, and could be taking a shot at a four straight board. It seems to be like we have hte best hand 1/7 here, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think a call could be a huge loser.

[danzasmack]

"other bad laggy player cold calls"

you have nothing on this range? tbh that's a weird range when a lag opens and gets cold called. i see it as 33 more than i do 89. His river bet is basically supposed to be KT/KJ and you're telling me he didn't 3-bet pf?

I 3-bet the flop a lot. Bet/call turn (he has an ace never) and c/c river.

That is against what i consider a spew-ish bad lag. And it's awesome.

[yourface]

danza what's your thinking for the flop 3bet?

[KitanaiCALL]

muck.

[danzasmack]

what's his range on the flop? a bad lag? what does he have when he raises there? Keep in mind he didn't 3-bet pf. I think he 3-bets like QJ/JT/J9ss pf.

CC keeps in K9/AQ a bunch of stuff that the pfr can tell himself to fold because he's facing 2 cold on a heavy draw board. And his range is huge.

[yourface]

hard to tell what his preflop range is with just 'bad LAG' to go by. I know lots of LAGs who hardly 3bet preflop, but will cold call a ton of hands. I also know lots of LAGs who 3bet any ace any broadway and such. so yah, hard to tell

I'm pretty sure a bad LAGy player isn't going to fold a gutshot+over(s) to 2 more on the flop

[yourface]

we can maybe get him to fold an underpair though, and get it HU with the other guy who can have a ton of draws

edit: he may fold Ax or Kx as well, which would be nice as we would have a chance of winning when an A or K drops and we won't set up redraws if we hit our pair outs