Feeling lost with JJ 100 NL 6 Max

[Burro]

Reads: Had villan running at 22/17 or so over 60 hands. Had only been at this table about 30 hands and im pretty sure i was runnin at about 20/16 or so at the time.

History: Saw villan open with qts and make a big 4 bet right when i sat down. Also, he opened button, i 3 bet with kq and he asked for time before 4 betting me much smaller than in the qts hand and i folded.

Think if I had been watching a little closer i definitely would have 4 bet here but guess i was in Hud bot mode and just called. I was really confused postflop here what line should i take? Also, given reads is this a mandatory 4 bet?

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1377621

[Cue-Ball 66]

You really need to convert your hands man or you won't get much help.

[invid]

played that hand pretty bad lol

[Cam5182]

I'm having trouble putting this villain on a specific hand... but with 3 overcards and several draws out on the board this is a tough river to call.

[Cue-Ball 66]

He obv can't call river. He's just wondering how he could play the rest of the hand differently.

Against this villain, who you've already seen 3 and 4 bet multiple times in 60 hands, you really have to 4-bet pre. Then if he shoves you have a tough decision [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[robert jordan]

raising flop would really help narrow his range

[Burro]

Yeah i think i played this one about as bad as possible the more i think about it the more i think a 4 bet is best.

[centgas]

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He obv can't call river. He's just wondering how he could play the rest of the hand differently.

Against this villain, who you've already seen 3 and 4 bet multiple times in 60 hands, you really have to 4-bet pre. Then if he shoves you have a tough decision [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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You would even consider folding after 4betting?

[Burro]

you really like raising flop here???

[Dan Bitel]

fold preflop (or 4bet and call a shove, depending on reads)

As played, I guess this is OK, flop call is pretty thin tho