Big Pot w/ Overs: Odds to Peel?

[nnphoenix]

Button sat down 2 hands ago, so no real read. CO is about 65/28 over 200ish hands.

Full Tilt 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, Q.
2 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 3, 9, 6 3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero ???

Getting 11½:1 on my call, but there's a strong possibility my outs are no good, and maniac CO has yet to act.

Do I take another card here, or flush it?

[Landonfan]

Fold w/o reads. You're oop, don't know how many outs are clean, your best backdoor draw is to a gutshot, the board is two-flushed in a suit you don't have, and you still have CO behind you.

[Buzz-cp]

Our hand doesn't look good vs a 3-betting range, so we are basically hoping he has TT, JJ, or AJ (which isn't always the case). Given that the board is 2-flush, this is going to limit our equity, because sometimes he pulls a redraw. If we hit a 1-pair hand we can't make too much off from it because we aren't sure we're best. All of these would make this a pretty standard muck.

[wray]

peel one.

[JJack]

*grunch*

easy fold u have big chance u will be dominated when Q or K hit and is too small , u can have 2-2,5 outs so fold.

[SuLi]

*grunch*
no flush draw, very weak straight draw, two overcards but no A, maniac CO still to act, ...
It's folding time!

[NIX]

You could be drawing just about dead already. And if not, non of your outs are clean and could get costly if you're dominated. Fold.

[Sushiglutton]

Fold. Ur outs are worth about 3 maximum and u are not closing the action.

[Montrealcorp]

clear fold and if i may add?
i just dunno why u raise preflop,i wouldnt?
its a great hand to limp in early position but a bad one to raise with?
u want caller with weaker hand behind u because u have a great hand to play multiway and if u dont raise ,great chance u will dominate limper behind u.
i think raising this hand early position will only be called or reraise by a better hand and since u have a lot of players behind u,there s a big chance someone has a better hand.
of course u raise this hand in late position if no 1 raise in front of u .
i think the only moment this is a good hand to raise is when the table is loose and passif,wich i doubt it is at 1/2 full tilt....

[Nick D]

I'm letting this one go. You've laid it out pretty well at the bottom of your post. With two hearts on board and the a possible BDSD (although a very weak one) for someone, your overcards are losing their footing.

Remember that overcards like ragged boards, backdoor flush draws, and few opponents. Since you have a somewhat ragged board, but no flush draw and a maniac behind you who'll make you pay extra bets (potentially) if you call here, your pot odds need to be reduced considerably.

I say fold and move on.