Observed 10/20 hand Boosted and Samh

[craig1120]

Ok someone IM'd this hand and I have my own opinions and thoughts on it but was wondering what some of you guys think of Boosted's river c/r. What do you guys think he is doing and why?

Full Tilt Poker Game #3254589111: Table Supreme (6 max) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:12:21 ET - 2007/08/14
Seat 1: SamH133 ($4,528.50)
Seat 2: MITTurk ($2,752)
Seat 3: JAB81 ($248.50)
Seat 4: jenn415 ($3,917.05)
Seat 5: Boosted J ($1,880)
Seat 6: JeffreyAlan ($2,000), is sitting out
JAB81 posts the small blind of $10
jenn415 posts the big blind of $20
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Boosted J raises to $70
SamH133 calls $70
MITTurk folds
JAB81 folds
jenn415 folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah 5s 6d]
Boosted J checks
SamH133 checks
*** TURN *** [Ah 5s 6d] [Jd]
Boosted J has 15 seconds left to act
Boosted J bets $170
SamH133 calls $170
*** RIVER *** [Ah 5s 6d Jd] [Ts]
Boosted J checks
SamH133 has 15 seconds left to act
SamH133 bets $400
Boosted J raises to $1,640, and is all in
SamH133 calls $1,240
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Boosted J shows [Qs Qc] a pair of Queens
SamH133 shows [Ac Tc] two pair, Aces and Tens
SamH133 wins the pot ($3,787) with two pair, Aces and Tens

[ipokeder]

hmm i think given the river card his river c/r is pretty bad. no way samh is folding aces up here, his only hope is really that he can make him fold JT. and of course vs draws calling is more optimal than c/ring... A9s, A8s, A7s is all that this isn't a spew against. folding out all worse hands and 3 extra Ax's doesn't seem like a very effective play.

[Ship Ship McGipp]

joke post, right?

[craig1120]

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joke post, right?

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As far as I know this is the real hand history. This isn't one of my hands that I changed or anything..

[craig1120]

Ok maybe this hand is only interesting to me. Of course it is hard to decipher as an observer but I couldn't figure out possible ranges to make Boosted include QQ in his river c/raising range.

At first I thought it could be for value if there were a lot of reads involved such as Samh reraising AK, AQ pre, betting flop w/ 55, 66, raising turn w/ AJ, value betting thin (KJ), not calling pre w/ less than AJ, and Boosted not slowplaying sets or 2 pair on flop, turn, etc but that seems too unlikely.

So it must be as a bluff, but why would he include QQ in his c/ring range as a bluff and not missed diamonds and other weaker hands and have QQ in his c/c range. I guess one explanation could be that boosted thought Samh bet/folding range on the river is so much greater than his b/calling range and boosted could turn some of his c/calling hands into c/raising hands as bluffs esp if Samh isnt value betting KJ? Like instead of having his river c/raising range be KQ/missed draws, he can make it KQ/missed draws and KK/QQ because SamH is bet/folding one pair A's so often on the river.

More likely, I'm probably just thinking too deeply into it.

[linuxrocks]

Makes no sense. If he put him on a non-ace hand, the hand is probably folding to the check/raise. I guess he just turned QQ into a bluff hand and the board doesn't look conducive enough for a bluff

[TheWorstPlayer]

he's bluffing him off an ace.

[AceCR9]

he's bluffing vs samh's range, which should include thin VB's and some missed straight draws.

maybe he also thinks that samh raises 2p+ on the turn most of the time, so hence his bluff is +ev vs his range(in boosteds opinion).

I'm sure theres also a ton of history between these two, which is why having a random post this hand is dumb, since it gives no reads either way.

[craig1120]

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I'm sure theres also a ton of history between these two, which is why having a random post this hand is dumb, since it gives no reads either way.

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You're right but it's no worse than every other post on this board that is "what do I do on the turn w/ AA against a 22/16 TAG?" w/ no other reads

I wasn't looking for the "correct answer" or whether or not this is +EV. I was more so just wondering if anyone thought there could be enough history for this to be for value.