50NL- QQ 3bet with interesting flop

[traz]

Villain is 17/12/6 over 175 hands. hmm?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $52.16
BB: $53.92
UTG: $67.12
Hero (MP): $62.51
CO: $33.50
BTN: $96.62

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, CO calls $2.00, <font color="red">BTN raises to $8.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $6.00, CO folds

Flop: ($18.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $13.00</font>, Hero ?

[thac]

What are you doing preflop?

As played you may as well shove because you have outs but preflop is pretty meh.

[members_only]

thac why is preflop so bad iyo?

[thac]

Because villain's a 17/12, and he 3-net ridiculously small, so he isn't afraid of you. He knows you raised from UTG+1 and he still 3-bets. So you call to take a flop OOP against what is presumably a decent player with a monster?

I hate it.

[traz]

Just open fold to his 3bet?

[thac]

Well, do you think he has KK or AA only? If so, throw it away.

If you don't think he has KK or AA, 4-bet.

Calling a 3-bet OOP like this is gonna make [censored] really tough (as we can see why in this hand)


You cannot call for set value.

[hoyasaxa]

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Well, do you think he has KK or AA only? If so, throw it away.

If you don't think he has KK or AA, 4-bet.

Calling a 3-bet OOP like this is gonna make [censored] really tough (as we can see why in this hand)


You cannot call for set value.

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who knew a BBV poster knew what he was talking about?

[thac]

I'm most definitely not a bbv poster.. I just lurk and sometimes post random [censored]

[hoyasaxa]

I saw ur post on the hand i accidentally posted there... FWIW u give good advice

[floppy]

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You cannot call for set value.

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So villan calls a bet from hero with AA/KK on a Q-high flop, then folds to hero's turn bet?

If he's that tight, can't you bet him off with just about anything?

OP: As played, it's probably a fold on the flop. If you're going to get villan's money, he probably has some of your straight outs (your Q outs are probably not outs anymore), so you could actually be 7:1 to hit your straight, and you don't have implied odds to call that bet.